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Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Jan 20 2012, 5:31 PM EST
First time I've watched it in its entirety since the Second Season was released on DVD (November 2009! Where does the time go?). I've watched the odd episode here and there, caught them on TV by chance a few times. I didn't think it was possible, but its even better than I remember it being. Even the much talked about Sarah centric episodes, they were thoroughly enjoyable (especially compared to what is on our TV screens these days.) I watch it now, and I'm glad we got TSCC at all, even though it was only around for a brief period of time. As the saying goes, the light that shines twice as bright, shines for half as long (or something along those lines!) Although the last episode still upset me, knowing that was where the story ended. Obviously, there's no chance of it starting up again now. But by heck, that was a great TV show. Do you find this valuable?
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1. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Jan 20 2012, 6:18 PM EST
"First time I've watched it in its entirety since the Second Season was released on DVD (November 2009! Where does the time go?). I've watched the odd episode here and there, caught them on TV by chance a few times."The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long."... but I don't think this is TSCC's case. It didn't burn very quickly, it was simply an intense light only people with right eyes could have appreciated. Many shows and movies are made to amaze and attract viewers (on the moment), but very few are made to last: TSCC is for sure one of them. 1. For sure, not as a show... but you never know... Do you find this valuable? |
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2. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Jan 20 2012, 7:53 PM EST
Disc is definitely the better medium for TSCC. The long story arcs and character development are much more coherent and resonate richly when the episodes are viewed consecutively versus separated by a week or more.Congratulations on being able to enjoy the show again in all its glory. Do you find this valuable? |
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3. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Jan 23 2012, 4:43 PM EST
"First time I've watched it in its entirety since the Second Season was released on DVD (November 2009! Where does the time go?). I've watched the odd episode here and there, caught them on TV by chance a few times.I also did a re-watch of my TSCC blu-rays a few months ago. And I'd say TSCC is like a precious wine. It's getting better with age ... :-) Seriously, it was fantastic to watch it again. For sure TSCC is one of few series (another would be Firefly/Serenity), which I'll be able to watch from time to time again and again. And in a way I even made my peace with the finale. Though there's a lot to be answered left, nothing on the other hand is finally ruined. A lot would still be possible. For me the finale of TSCC is way more preferable than e. g. the (long planned!!???) crappy finale of Lost, which probably will keep me from watching Lost ever again. Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Jan 23 2012, 7:11 PM EST
"I also did a re-watch of my TSCC blu-rays a few months ago.I agree with your sentiment. TSCC does get better and the finale, though not planned as the series finale, does feel better as the conclusion to the story. I'm glad the producers didn't give us a quick wrap up to the series and just let the story play out as planned. Works best. I've watched the entire series a couple of times and I'm about to watch it again. It's hard to nail down one thing that draws me to it. That would explain why I love it so much. Probably because it isn't just one thing. It is everything about TSCC that drew me in and keeps me even today. For a guy of 43 years, I've seen a lot of TV, and I've never seen a program like it before. TSCC is special. Each time you watch it, you come away learning something more each time about the story or characters. Its like a favourite novel that you read again and again. God bless TSCC and all those who participated in its creation. You came into our lives and brightened our world, and left before your time. It will be forever missed. Do you find this valuable? |
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5. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Jan 24 2012, 10:59 AM EST
"I also did a re-watch of my TSCC blu-rays a few months ago.Does it worth to buy the bluray discs? In another thread someone already said that there's nothing (no special contents) added (compared to the DVDs), but what about quality? Can you see any difference? I Like DVDs because I copied them to my HDD and can watch them without the seeking time and noise from an optical device (when I watch a DVD each time I pause it the drive needs two seconds to restart, that's annoying!). I'll find for some pirate program to copy the BDs to the HDD as well... I'm just remembering that probably exactly you said there's no difference in quality (BD vs DVD) with Firefly. Last time I re-watched TSCC (up to October) it took me three months, because it was hard to watch each episode knowing what the end was: this didn't affected the enjoying and I watched the last episodes in a single day. Each time I re-watch it I find new details, new connections and new explaining I missed the previous times, or I get new ideas... I miss it! Do you find this valuable? |
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6. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Jan 24 2012, 11:16 AM EST
"Does it worth to buy the bluray discs? In another thread someone already said that there's nothing (no special contents) added (compared to the DVDs), but what about quality? Can you see any difference?I found the Blu-ray seems to have more detail. When I am trying to examine a frame in detail, I can see small things in the image better with Blu-ray. For example, in Automatic for the People, when Sarah and Cameron have to show their driver's licenses to enter the nuclear plant, I was able to read more of the information from Cameron's license. (See at time mark 00:18 of the following vid:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln_0j15eaug 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Jan 24 2012, 12:00 PM EST
"I found the Blu-ray seems to have more detail.Thank you for explaining: I'll buy a BD-Rom unit. Here's the link to your video Do you find this valuable? |
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8. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Jan 24 2012, 4:02 PM EST
"Does it worth to buy the bluray discs? In another thread someone already said that there's nothing (no special contents) added (compared to the DVDs), but what about quality? Can you see any difference?In the case of TSCC I'd definitely say it's worth to buy the Blu-rays. TNT described it quite well. You can see the improvement in quality especially when you look at details like text or surfaces of things. But it's of course essential to watch it on a TV or screen with full High Definition resolution (1920x1080) to be able to actually enjoy the improvements. Do you find this valuable? |
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9. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Jan 24 2012, 4:04 PM EST
"...The problem with the Firefly Blu-rays is the source material. When they produced Firefly in 2002 they probably didn't use camera equipment with high definition resolution, because at that time HDTV was not used in TV yet. So for a Blu-ray edition (for marketing reasons Blu-ray sounds always good ;-)) they usually project the old small definition material to HD definition by software. Sometimes the results are rather good, sometimes they aren't. In the case of Firefly I think they could have saved the time. The result is not really a seeable progress compared to the DVD resolution. To be honest, I even had known this before I bought the Firefly Blu-rays. I still did it out of enthusiasm for Firefly and to show my support. I also ordered the Firefly special collector's DVD edition directly in the U.S., because it never was released in Germany. Besides Firefly TSCC is the only series, of which I deliberately own the DVDs as well as the Blu-rays, because I simply think they deserve to get my money for such juwels of TV entertainment. Oh, and don't forget, the movie Serenity is a completely different story. Serenity is definitely a must-have on Blu-ray. The quality improvement is impressing when you watch it on a big HD screen. It was simply amazing, when a first did .... aahhh, now I'm having the scene with the Serenity in space right before my eyes and I'm close to watching my Serenity Blu-ray again .... wow, is it possible to have a crush for a spaceship ... well, maybe in some kind of way ... ;-)) Do you find this valuable? |
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10. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Jan 24 2012, 4:08 PM EST
"...Mates, reading your comments it's for sure that we all share this feeling of missing it .... yeah .... Do you find this valuable? |
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11. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Jan 24 2012, 8:27 PM EST
"1. In the case of TSCC I'd definitely say it's worth to buy the Blu-rays. TNT described it quite well. You can see the improvement in quality especially when you look at details like text or surfaces of things. But it's of course essential to watch it on a TV or screen with full High Definition resolution (1920x1080) to be able to actually enjoy the improvements.1. 1920... well, it it's in fullhd, so it does worth... I thought it was in a lower resolution... anyway I still have to find a good monitor (I only find 1920x1080, but I don't want to reduce my current vertical resolution... 1920x1200 are so rare... I want it!) 2. I don't know how such shows were filmed, I would exclude 35mm films, I figure they were electronically captured (in digital or analog format), so there's obviously no possibility to increase the resolution (someone should explain to many movie/TV shows writers that it's not possible to increase the resolution recreating details that weren't present in the original image!... at least you can smoth edges and contours via interpolation). I'm not an expert, but, despite I figure that such records had an higher resolution (compared to the standard TV system), that's surely not a 1080 lines. Anyway, since I wouldn't be surprised if the original records were able to go near the 720 lines of an hd-ready BD, the new format should be a bit better than the DVD... but I don't know if it's really possible to appreciate the differences. I've seen once an old videotape used to film TV news, and it was about two times a standard VHS, right to have higher resolutions 3. I hope you did it before the fall of the euro... I ordered my TSCC DVDs from UK to get them faster... and S1 went missed... next time I'll order from Australia! As I promised, I'll watch Firefly: besides random episodes of various day by day procedurals on TV (the very few times I've been so crazy to watch TV) and re-watches, I haven't watched any other show after TSCC. 4. Yes, you already told me this. I don't like big screens, I watch movies at 50Cm by my monitor... habit... I still remember the winmx era and the first divx files, allowing to watch movies that no video store was able to find (Death Race, Telefon, the original Fail Safe, etc)... there weren't online video stores 10 years ago, and, despite the resolution of such files was low, my old CRT monitor was better than any TV in those years... so I continued to watch movies on my computer. Do you find this valuable? |
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12. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Jan 24 2012, 8:48 PM EST
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I've just found these info on wikipedia.Tape formats Betacam This is probably the one I remember. The 1997 digital version (Betacam HDCAM) supports up to the resolution of 1440x1080. If they used the 1997 HDCAM, it should be easy to extract a video much better than the DVD quality by the original tapes, the de facto standard was 5 already years old in 2002... Do you find this valuable? |
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13. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Feb 1 2012, 11:25 AM EST
"I've just found these info on wikipedia.i COULD BE WRONG BUT TV SHOWS...CAPS are all filmed in 35 mm film. soaps are filmed with digital cameras. the quality of the original films would vary due to lighting, and direction, equipment and film.any show can be improved, but would have limits. blueray is mainly for larger tv screens, once you go past a 32 inch screen a regular dvd will start to show imperfections, but a blue ray will show a smoother picture. on a small screen you might see more detail on some things, but for just watching a show, regular dvds are fine for the smaller tvs or computer monitors. and they will put anything on blue ray and it may or may not be enchanced, they just know people will buy it again on blue ray. so about the firefly bluerays, they may not have been enchanced like they could have been? or they may not have been enchanced at all, just put on blue ray to sell them again. and not being enchanced they would still look a little better but not much. to properly enchance a film is a expensive process, and then imagine doing 22 hours of a tv show, or with firefly about 13 hours. therefore i THINK MOST ARE NOT ENCHANCED prior to putting them on blueray. the BR just naturally allows for higher resolution,more pixels per frame so the look better on big screens.
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14. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Feb 1 2012, 11:51 AM EST
now ot I rewatched them again last year, and it is better even the ones like sarah centrics. however earthlings # 2x13 and good wound # 2x14 were still pretty bad. I still think S-1 was way better than S-2 and I still dont like the last show ! If we had got a S-3 it might be ok, but with no S-3 or a S-3 movie it sucks. S-2 overall, was sloppy, and at times really good, and other times really bad. I think the 3 dot thing sort of shows what S-2 was like, it was drawn out and sort of thought up and changed as they went along, instead of a solid plan that was followed thru to the end. I think josh constantly changed direction and other things as they went along. the insertion of the sarah eps is a example of this, he just dropped them in , which interrupted the other storyline, and alpine fields was just a standalone ep. once that was over, the show got better again and there was some flow again, but for me the last ep was probably the 3rd worst ep of the series. rather than watch that, I would rather just pretend #2x21 is the last ep, with sarah in jail,and john and cam together. S-2 didnt flow from one ep to the next like S-1 did.
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15. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Feb 2 2012, 5:39 PM EST
"1. I COULD BE WRONG BUT TV SHOWS...CAPS are all filmed in 35 mm film. soaps are filmed with digital cameras.1. I don't think that could be so easy to do the cutting/editing job working with 35mm films (especially in a week), a digital format would be better (I remember of a movie whose cut required years to the director). Actually, as I said, I think that right in that moment quality is reduced. In the links I posted I remember something about the possibility to write while reading, added right to expedite the cutting process. 2/6. Don't confuse image quality with resolution: resolution is only one part of the image quality. There's no way to enhance the resolution (interpolation simply "creates" details), you can only enhance image quality (brightness/contrast/gamma/etc), but that's something needed by older films, not by a 2002 show. 3. Larger screens don't have more pixels than a standard (100$) 21.5" monitor (1920x1080), they simply have larger pixels. The only difference/advantage is that you can watch it by a greater distance, so you can watch it in more than 2-3 persons, comfortably by your couch. Of course, then there's image quality that can vary (LCD/OLED TVs usually have glossy screens, while many monitors have mate surfaces to reduce reflexes in light offices/rooms: glossy screens are better for movies and horrible to work), but this doesn't affect the resolution, which is the main difference between DVDs (at most 576 rows in PAL) and BD (up to 1920x1080). To watch a show a DVD is almost always enough, because, if there was something that they wanted us to view, they (should?) have already filmed it in a quality good enough to notice it even in DVD/broadcast quality. 5. If, as I said, the quality was reduced during the editing process, there's nothing to enhance: they should find the original shots and redo the editing process to give us a 1080 rows BD, but someone would blame them for this. You've also to consider that, during the editing, some scenes could have been zoomed/cropped (that's exactly the purpose to film in such "high" resolution years before the media were aired in HD) 6. I think they simply used the masters, which probably are in 720 lines quality. Do you find this valuable? |
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16. RE: Just finished rewatching TSCC ....
Feb 2 2012, 6:03 PM EST
"now ot1. While I agree that some episodes could be a bit boring, I think that S2 is much better than S1, mainly because in S1 the show hadn't reached its form yet. JF was unexperienced, and it'd have bee hard to take Terminator and directly transform it in what the show is: time was required. 2. I figure you mean the last episode: well, isn't somehow BtR than still bends us here? You're right, it's sad without S3, but that's only a (long) temporary sadness (don't try to contradict me here, if you want to live ;-p). BtR's end was a good way to prepare S3, and it was for sure the realization of one of the (very few) points I understood watching the "whiteboard interview": John's emancipation. As for this, it's perfect: John is years away from Sarah, he's alone and now he's an adult (again, I could say, since T2's John was much more emancipated than TSCC's one). 3. You could be interested in reading this other thread where (by reply 57) we were discussing the three dots. JF changed directions in the parts that weren't "THE" show, but the events constructing the real show (which, IMO, is mainly about characters... mainly about non-human characters, I could say, considering JH and Weaver!) 4. Fox wanted more stand-alone eps hoping to acquire new viewers in a show that could have never been understood and appreciated by someone who had tried to "jump in"... and I always think that 22eps were too many for a season and JF ran out of ideas since the events on the whiteboard were enough for less eps (say, 18). The result is that they had to dilute the story. 5. de gustibus non est disputandum... but what is really TSCC? Is it a story about some events, secret companies, spies and war? If it is, it failed. Is it a story about some characters changing, studying each other and adapting to the events I just named? If so (as I think and saw it) it's a great show! 6. Well, more than remembering you again about Fox's influences, and that last 9 were changed in a way we can only imagine, I can only add that the ones that used to "flow" in S1 were only a "contour" to the show... Do you find this valuable? |