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Turncoat	Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 4 2011, 9:13 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 4 2011, 9:15 PM EDT I've just had a changing experance on the other site. And it made me seriously think about this one and why it was abandoned. The answer: No good reason. So a bunch of whiny babies didn't like the moderatoring. I seem to trust the mods here that have remained. So what 's the problem? Why can't this place be rebuffed to the way it use to be? I say we rebuild this place the way it use to be with different Idea's and discussion about things that matter to the show. I know a few places that can put this place back on the Map. I say we give it a try ... Just saying. Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: Rebuilding Return
I.Join	1. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 4 2011, 10:24 PM EDT "1. The answer: No good reason. " So, since I wasn't here in the days it was "the way it use to be", I figure that both wikis mainly suffered of abandon. I mean, I know about the so called war in this wiki, but, if I take a 2-3 years old post and read the names, many are in no one of the two now, they simply left. About rebuilding, what do you exactly mean? If someone that follows both wikis has something to post, (s)he usually posts on both: the result is that some 3Ds are repeated (which means split!!!) on the two wikis, cause some old date discussions. Being English language not my best skill, it happens that many times I read only one of the two threads, maybe missing something of important (obviously the same happens to who follows only one wiki) I personally find ridiculous (no offense here!) to split the fans, since our union is the only we have (but our hope!), and I refuse to chose one or another: I attend both, but I liked to have only one. (personally, I liked to have only a third one, but that's only because I hate wettaint). I don't see what to "rebuild": many new threads are opened, and many old ones are re-opened if someone has something to add. Sure, not as many as 2 years ago, but for other (obvious) reasons... Good for you that you decided to come back, maybe all could follow you, bury the tomahawk and cooperate to have only a forum as a result (to receive the huge amount of new fans I nope the SyFy forecast will produce :P) 1. The answer is: we are humans... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
The1Russter	2. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 4 2011, 11:55 PM EDT I think the split is stupid and that we should have unified ages ago. I'm tired of commenting on one wiki on some subjects and here on others. I hate chatting about my fan fiction on the blue wiki and having my story here. The problems evolved from two things in my opinion. 1) the Anti-jameron and Jameron war. 2) Lack of moderation until things got out of hand, then they came down hard. People didn't like either thing. So there were factions. First the Clan Wiki was built because of issue 1. Then the blue wiki was built cuz of issue 2. Neither problem has gone away. People always takes sides on issues. People will either be Pro-jameron or Anti, with the rest falling somewhere in the middle with a who cares attitude. There will always be those who say moderators do too little or not enough, when all we really want is consistency from them. If standards are set, then stick to them. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
The1Russter	3. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 5 2011, 12:02 AM EDT My point being, you may not get people to come back to this wiki, though I see many of the same faces on both. The only real opportunity to provide some rebirth to this wiki is to promote it and you won't have a better opportunity than with TSCC being rebroadcast on SyFy channel. Start new discussion threads for new viewers for the episodes. ensure this wiki gets listed on searches for Terminator The Sarah Connor Chronicles, etc. I'm out of ideas, but you can see where I'm going. And update the opening page and promote it as the original home for Terminator The Sarah Connor Chronicles! With links to new threads for each episode, etc. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Turncoat	4. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 5 2011, 12:05 AM EDT "I think the split is stupid and that we should have unified ages ago. I'm tired of commenting on one wiki on some subjects and here on others. I hate chatting about my fan fiction on the blue wiki and having my story here. The problems evolved from two things in my opinion. 1) the Anti-jameron and Jameron war. 2) Lack of moderation until things got out of hand, then they came down hard. People didn't like either thing. So there were factions. First the Clan Wiki was built because of issue 1. Then the blue wiki was built cuz of issue 2. Neither problem has gone away. People always takes sides on issues. People will either be Pro-jameron or Anti, with the rest falling somewhere in the middle with a who cares attitude. There will always be those who say moderators do too little or not enough, when all we really want is consistency from them. If standards are set, then stick to them." Exactly ... There should be some sort of reunification movement with the fandom. I've argued the need for stricter mods on the Blue wiki and the runners of the other wiki get up in arms, but when it comes down to it, don't want to man up and do the job. My plan is simple ... we overtake the blue wiki with membership by promoting this wiki elsewhere, sure people so entrenched with their childish immaturity will stick around the blue wiki, but new membership here will force unification through sheer numbers. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
I.Join	5. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 5 2011, 2:03 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2011, 2:03 AM EDT "My plan is simple ... we overtake the blue wiki with membership by promoting this wiki elsewhere, sure people so entrenched with their childish immaturity will stick around the blue wiki, but new membership here will force unification through sheer numbers. " This seems to be another kind of war (made with search engines instead of words). OK, this is a war of content, so that's the base rule of free commerce: competition... Sure, competition can bring to better quality (since we're selling nothing, it can't bring to lower quality for lower price), but, in this case, it only brings confusion (to a new fan). The two wikis combined are the main references for each (present or future) fan: don't increase the splitting by beginning a new war of content right now... For my experience, new people will join each one while they can find something of interesting in both. They'll not understand why two forums, with a large amount of common users, exist as two separate entities (I personally thought to a technical problem that affected the first one, generating the second, then was solved, resulting in 2 working wikis... many other people will find different explaining). I could suggest to close one wiki (moving the content), but I already know that many users will not agree... on both sides! Maybe we could study a way to encapsulate them both in a new one: a sort of "container" that could allow an user to view them as a single (third) one... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
redcon	6. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 5 2011, 5:06 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2011, 5:06 AM EDT " So what 's the problem? " Hmmm, I don't know … some of the mods here shoot first, and then even don't try to ask any questions. :D Am I right , russ? :D Post reply Do you find this valuable?
t5000	7. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 5 2011, 8:47 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2011, 8:47 AM EDT I've just had a changing experience on the other site. ........so what happened?? another idea is to pm any old members here who did not cancel membership, ask them to come back, but you would need some good threads here relating to tscc. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Gusar	8. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 5 2011, 8:48 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2011, 8:48 AM EDT "So what 's the problem?" It's a very simple one: inertia. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Losa78	9. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 5 2011, 5:47 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2011, 5:53 PM EDT @ Redcon: You are seriously outdated as to who the mods are here nowadays. The "staff" has absolutely nothing to do with who those people were when the other wikis were created and before that. If you're referring to the present time, I really don't see what you mean by "shooting first and not even asking questions later"... I'd say this red wiki still has a level of activity which is significantly higher than it would normally be expected from a show which was canceled almost two years ago already, regardless of the exodus to other wikis. Fortunately, many people (inside their respective "factions" of course) stuck together even after all this time, and thus still communicate (even here), but the topics are mostly about many other "off-topic" things besides TSCC, which is totally understandable because what is there to still talk about strictly on the TSCC topic, really? So, this being said, I'm not too worried about this wiki, even though I would surely love to have more activity. Question is: how? Not to be too negative or anything, but I have sure tried to get people on the blue wiki to come back here, to no avail whatsoever. The bigger members all feel so much better there because of what this wiki used to be in the past, it's just sad. They won't budge no matter what. As for the "solutions" proposed to bring new fans here and "overtake" the blue wiki, I really don't see where we could possibly get them from. Personally, I don't think this SyFy syndication is going to mean anything too relevant as far as new fans are concerned. Sending PM's to old members here who have not canceled would not make them return because they don't even come here to check their PM's anymore, and if they did that occasionally, they're not here because they don't want to, and no PM's would make any difference. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Turncoat	10. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 5 2011, 6:00 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2011, 6:02 PM EDT "I've just had a changing experience on the other site. ........so what happened?? another idea is to pm any old members here who did not cancel membership, ask them to come back, but you would need some good threads here relating to tscc." It's just one big frat house on the other site. Here on the Red Wiki people still talk and disagree on things and everyone is welcomed. On the blue wiki, they're not interested in talking about the show, they use the other page like a super secret club house for people who think the same way. Even more so, they only Moding that goes on is for people they don't agree with, and let others get away with murder because they're friends. It occured to me in a discussion with Munter on the other site who said he was going to ignore my posts because he didn't like my opinions that the other wiki is nothing but a club house for the extreme Jamerons and Summer Glau worshipers. I came to this place afterward a bit frustraited with the immaturity and looked at my old postings and saw how much discussion this place breeded. Than it just clicked. This is were TSCC's main community was and it can be again. Just a little promotion in sites and we can gain more membership with Sy-Fy syndications. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Gusar	11. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 5 2011, 6:08 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2011, 6:08 PM EDT "It's just one big frat house on the other site. Here on the Red Wiki people still talk and disagree on things and everyone is welcomed. On the blue wiki, they're not interested in talking about the show, they use the other page like a super secret club house for people who think the same way. Even more so, they only Moding that goes on is for people they don't agree with, and let others get away with murder because they're friends. It occured to me in a discussion with Munter on the other site who said he was going to ignore my posts because he didn't like my opinions that the other wiki is nothing but a club house for the extreme Jamerons and Summer Glau worshipers. I came to this place afterward a bit frustraited with the immaturity and looked at my old postings and saw how much discussion this place breeded. Than it just clicked. This is were TSCC's main community was and it can be again. Just a little promotion in sites and we can gain more membership with Sy-Fy syndications. " I can only LOL at this post. Munter explained very well what he didn't like there. How you managed to blow that up into what you write here is just... well, LOL. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Losa78	12. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 5 2011, 6:17 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2011, 6:17 PM EDT @ Turncoat: Please don't use this thread (or this wiki) to speak ill of other members who may or may not be here or to vent frustrations and conflicts you may have on the blue wiki. We privilege and value positive and polite discussions and attitudes here only. I hope you understand and listen to what I'm trying to say here. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MMM.MIND	13. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 5 2011, 7:04 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2011, 7:04 PM EDT bump Yes Red wiki need more activity I have try and fail so far, I have worked a lot on it and fail :-( Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Turncoat	14. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 5 2011, 7:20 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2011, 7:20 PM EDT "@ Turncoat: Please don't use this thread (or this wiki) to speak ill of other members who may or may not be here or to vent frustrations and conflicts you may have on the blue wiki. We privilege and value positive and polite discussions and attitudes here only. I hope you understand and listen to what I'm trying to say here." Hey people wanted to know what the thing is that snapped into place. So I told the story. But that doesn't take away my point that their needs to be more activity here, nor that there needs to be some sort of boost in membership. @Gusar: Meh ... I wash my hands of it, Munter can go on with his life, if anything I should thank him for giving me some prospective on the situation. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Losa78	15. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 5 2011, 7:27 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2011, 7:27 PM EDT "Hey people wanted to know what the thing is that snapped into place. So I told the story. But that doesn't take away my point that their needs to be more activity here, nor that there needs to be some sort of boost in membership. " Yes, I realize that you were "baited" to say what you did, but still you could have been more vague and not so direct against specific people or people's preferences. Your points are still there alright. They just don't seem too doable, sadly... I wish I was wrong and we got a lot more interesting people here, but it just doesn't look too good... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Turncoat	16. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 5 2011, 7:38 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2011, 7:38 PM EDT "Yes, I realize that you were "baited" to say what you did, but still you could have been more vague and not so direct against specific people or people's preferences. Your points are still there alright. They just don't seem too doable, sadly... I wish I was wrong and we got a lot more interesting people here, but it just doesn't look too good..." Don't worry ... A plan is in play as we speak. Stay tuned. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MMM.MIND	17. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 6 2011, 5:35 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 6 2011, 5:35 PM EDT "Yes, I realize that you were "baited" to say what you did, but still you could have been more vague and not so direct against specific people or people's preferences. Your points are still there alright. They just don't seem too doable, sadly... I wish I was wrong and we got a lot more interesting people here, but it just doesn't look too good..." I am Stubborn, for good or bad I will start to post fun poll thread every week. It will helps. and we need good threads no related to TSCC, because it is cancel. We need more stuff to speak about + stuff to help to get new people. I am so STUBBORN :-O Post reply Do you find this valuable?
kaotic	18. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 6 2011, 5:37 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 6 2011, 5:42 PM EDT "Even more so, they only Moding that goes on is for people they don't agree with, and let others get away with murder because they're friends. " Good luck with this idea, really. If this is the place you want to post and hang out, cool. But, you won't see me returning to post, again; whether or not this place is rockin`. I can assure you that most of the members on the other site will feel the same way, and it wouldn't have anything to do with the mods or admins this time (the ones here now are awesome). Hello Losa. :) P.S.: Turncoat, if you think I'm a shitty admin and that I have let things slip, that's fine. And if for whatever reason the moderation on the other site is bad in your eyes or anyone else that goes there, then I'll take for responsibility for it turning out that way. But I personally think the other admins and mods have done a good job on the site. We haven't had any problems on that site in two years (minus a couple trolls near the start and the recent events with you). Yes, there are a lot of people on that site that don't like you, and you might feel like you've been mistreated with people ignoring you and such, but the admins can't control what people think. Just like I can't control that you think we're all immature. And about the show discussions, I'll repeat something that CP said a few days ago: "I can't blame people for not talking about the show, really. It was talked to death on the Haunted Wiki, first of all, and secondly, how much material can you go over from only 1.5 seasons? To continue talking about the show would be repetitive to the point of being obsessive and irrational; there simply isn't enough to deconstruct and analyze, beyond what we've already done." In any case, I hope whatever you have planned works out. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Losa78	19. RE: Rebuilding the Red Wiki ... Apr 6 2011, 6:10 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 6 2011, 6:10 PM EDT " But, you won't see me returning to post, again; whether or not this place is rockin`. I can assure you that most of the members on the other site will feel the same way, and it wouldn't have anything to do with the mods or admins this time (the ones here now are awesome). Hello Losa. :)" Hello, Kaotic. It's good to have your acknowledgment and respect. Just please tell me what does not ever returning here have to do with, then, if it's not the current mods or admins. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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