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Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 2 2011, 1:38 AM EDT
for the morena fans , she will be on the mentalist next week 4-7 , she plays a villain who kills someone and then insinuates the mentalist [ patrick jane ] isnt smart enough to catch her.so for me this will be fun as I like the mentalist and morena. she still has the awful short hair, but it is styled differently.. Do you find this valuable?
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2. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 2 2011, 11:23 AM EDT
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"Who cloned Michael J. Fox ?"Haha. From this perspective he does kinda look like Michael J Fox. That's Scott Wolf, Morena's co-star in V. And you honestly didn't know who Morena is? Then go watch Firefly and Serenity, nao!! And then watch V afterwards. In related news, Elizabeth Mitchell (Erica on V) was in Law&Order: Special Victims Unit this week. Do you find this valuable? |
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3. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 2 2011, 4:30 PM EDT
"Haha. From this perspective he does kinda look like Michael J Fox. That's Scott Wolf, Morena's co-star in V.You're suggesting me to view Firefly, another canceled show!?!? Why don't you directly come here with a machete an MP43 and a box of grenades!?!? About V, it's not yet ended, I don't view TV shows until they are ended... and, by the last summer, I add "until they are regularly ended"! (Obviously, this only applies to serialized ones, and V appears to be one of them, by what I read, isn't it?) P.S. Don't reply saying that Serenity concluded Firefly, I know that's not exactly true, cause they decided to make the film for the cinema, instead than for direct sale, so (for what I know... mainly by these pages) they had to modify the story to let everyone to view it... Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 2 2011, 4:48 PM EDT
"You're suggesting me to view Firefly, another canceled show!?!?"Doesn't matter. It's 14 awesome eps plus an equally awesome movie. This about it this way - there's no heartbreak because you know *exactly* what you're getting. Yeah, V is serialized. And may not get a third season. But again, doesn't matter. While the show doesn't have a lot of depth, it has atmosphere and is very intense. It's worth watching for that. Plus, Laura Vandervoort. Do you find this valuable? |
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5. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 2 2011, 5:45 PM EDT
Well, the heartbreak is not in "not having more", but (thinking to the TSCC experience) in not having hadALL, so, knowing in advance that a serialized show is a canceled one doesn't help, because you know that a writer decided to tell a story, began to do, then has been interrupted, so you only have a part of the story and some question he decided to answer to haven't been answered.Say you love coca-cola... If the "top secret" receipt is lost, no coca-cola can be longer produced, but what you've drunk till that moment was coca-cola (to the last drop!)... if you buy a book (say a thriller) begin to read it, find it "awesome", to then find that the last pages are damaged (except the last one, saying "unique copy"), that's another story! Much probably, if you knew that before, you never touched that book! That's the same with a show: if a non-serialized show is canceled, even if it was the best ever made, no real pain, because each episode ended its story. Many good shows are deleted because "out of date", or because actors/writers died. This is bad for a fan, but they move on, knowing that each single episode was good and ended (and maybe re watching them sometimes) If they (the fans) asked for years for something (to then get Serenity) that's because the story WASN'T ended... but (correct me if I'm wrong), for what I know, the movie only partially continued the original story, (cause the willing to have it in the cinemas, to have a movie "for everyone, not only for fans"... huge mistake, IMO... and, having not viewed it, it should be an impartial opinion) Do you find this valuable? |
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6. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 2 2011, 6:19 PM EDT
Firefly isn't really serialized. Not nearly to the extent TSCC is. Each ep is it's own adventure. That's why it doesn't matter that there are only 14 eps. The people wanted more not because we were left hanging on a cliff, but because the characters are so awesome and we wanted to see more of their adventures.And the point of Serenity was for Joss to give himself closure. And to give the fans closure. And it works. I'm telling you, it does. Sure, not all character backstories were told, but it doesn't bother. You can still very much cherish what you were given and you won't feel this big hole in your heart. Really, denying yourself the awesomeness of Firefly is silly. You won't be stuck on a cliffhanger like you are with TSCC. "to have a movie "for everyone, not only for fans"... huge mistake, IMO... and, having not viewed it, it should be an impartial opinion" <-- Actually, because you haven't watched it you're not in a position to have an opinion. The minor details that were changed are really that - minor. Do you find this valuable? |
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7. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 2 2011, 6:24 PM EDT
"Well, the heartbreak is not in "not having more", but (thinking to the TSCC experience) in not having had<b><u>ALL</u></b>, so, knowing in advance that a serialized show is a canceled one doesn't help, because you know that a writer decided to tell a story, began to do, then has been interrupted, so you only have a part of the story and some question <u>he decided to answer to</u> haven't been answered.I found Serenity to be a satisfactory ending to the Firefly story. There was only one minor backstory that I considered to be inadequately completed. (I won't mention it so as not to spoil it for you.) Whether a movie like Serenity can close out a series satisfactorily really depends on the complexity of the series. Like how many open questions have to be answered and where were all the main characters at the end of the series. TSCC left many open questions. Firefly had less complexity and fewer unanswered questions. And the characters were not dislocated as John and Cameron were at the end of TSCC. Therefore, it was easier to answer the questions in a movie like Serenity. Watching Firefly and Serenity was quite enjoyable for me. Especially since I saw Firefly in the correct sequence, I felt the whole story had a definite beginning and ending. And since I am a big fan of Summer Glau, the experience was a real pleasure. @I.Join, Since you are so interested in getting proper closure for TSCC, it would make sense for you to see how a movie ending to a series might work. I agree there are strengths and weaknesses to this. I think you owe it to yourself and to your commitment to wanting some kind of closure for TSCC. You should view Firefly/Serenity. Do you find this valuable? |
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8. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 2 2011, 7:40 PM EDT
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"1. Firefly isn't really serialized. Not nearly to the extent TSCC is. Each ep is it's own adventure.1. Good to know, maybe I'll view it. I just remembered that I was wrong: the show I read that was only partially explained in its sequent work wasn't Firefly. 2. The cliff!? That's not what I want a solution for in TSCC: I'm sure they had solved it in the first 10' of the 3rd season and that they already planned (and probably filmed) how. 3. And, even not knowing him, I admire him for that. He wanted and he did: this means that followers can trust him, which is good (also commercially) 4. When I'll want to view another TV show I'll think about it. 5. I meant, you can't make a movie involving the original story (as the unborn season had to be), because then only who knows the show will be able to view it (so, not for cinema); you can't completely exclude the original story, otherwise you have another movie... So it's simultaneously hard and potentially unsatisfactory to do what they did... more, a cinema film for all must have an higher standard, compared to a DVD one for fans, so it costs more... if you think that probably only fans will view it, it's a waste of money, a waste of time in re-scripting to make it for all and a potentially disappointing idea to make a movie for all (IMO). I hadn't done, but maybe they thought that making a movie only on DVD, many had only illegally downloaded it. I think we already talked about this (I'm not sure). Do you find this valuable? |
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9. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 2 2011, 7:53 PM EDT
"1. Especially since I saw Firefly in the correct sequence1. Which is the wrong one? (A wrong one is the one they used here, to air the show in 2006, but I doubt this is your case) 2. That's exactly the kind of movie I don't want: a 90' movie made for all. For TSCC I want a (split) 3hours movie made for who knows the show*, so, even if you're going to convince me (and I'll view it, but I don't know when), I already know I don't want that kind of movie... I believe that, as you both write, 90' may have been good in Firefly's case, but will not be for TSCC. *Just in case, after SyFy re-airs the show, it becomes very popular, I want T5 as a continuation (made by JF for WB), but that's extremely unlikely, because every Terminator movie "needs" to have much more action than the show, which is a drama... I think that the definition of "spin-off" is the best they gave it. Do you find this valuable? |
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10. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 2 2011, 8:11 PM EDT
"5. I meant, you can't make a movie involving the original story (as the unborn season had to be), because then only who knows the show will be able to view it (so, not for cinema); you can't completely exclude the original story, otherwise you have another movie... So it's simultaneously hard and potentially unsatisfactory to do what they did... ""you can't make a movie involving the original story (as the unborn season had to be), because then only who knows the show will be able to view it (so, not for cinema)" Not true. Many successful movies begin their stories with characters who are adults with a ongoing lives. When we watch the movies, we can accept that the characters were doing things already, not just born yesterday. For example, the original Star Wars was successful and I liked it. But it had a huge backstory that took three movies to fill in years later. "you can't completely exclude the original story, otherwise you have another movie" As I mentioned in post 7, the original story can be simple enough to carry over into the movie. So long as there is not too much complexity, a movie can be made without abandoning the original story. For example, Aliens was a successful sequel to Alien. I saw Alien first, and Aliens made sense as a follow-on. But also, if I had not seen Alien first and just saw Aliens, it was OK also. Aliens was a sequel that could be a stand-alone movie. You can have both. This is evidence that you ought to view Firefly/Serenity. You won't understand until you do. Do you find this valuable? |
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11. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 2 2011, 8:17 PM EDT
"1. Which is the wrong one? (A wrong one is the one they used here, to air the show in 2006, but I doubt this is your case)1. They aired the episodes out of order. The pilot explained some of the backstory, but they did not air it first. I believe this created some confusion with the viewers. Also, they chose not to air the last few episodes at all. I considered that to be a loss for the viewers because I enjoyed those episodes on the discs. 2. Yes, the movie worked for Firefly. And I agree that it might not work so well for TSCC. (But I don't know for sure because I haven't seen it because it hasn't been made.) Do you find this valuable? |
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12. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 2 2011, 8:57 PM EDT
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"1. Not true. Many successful movies begin their stories with characters who are adults with a ongoing lives. When we watch the movies, we can accept that the characters were doing things already, not just born yesterday1. True! But, if something of their past is important, it's explained/shown via flashback in the movie. This consumes time in the movie, so by the 90', only 60 really add something. The original Star war is not 90'. 2. I saw Aliens when very young, and Alien last week, and I remembered that all what was important was summarized in the beginning of the story (this ruined a bit Alien to me), when Ripley explains all to the commission. More, Aliens is a 150' movie, so there was all the time needed to summarize what needed. If we're talking about long movies, surely you can do all what you want, even with TSCC, but then we're back to the old 315: to short and summarize what we know, but now to use it inside the new movie. That's not bad, but the movie will be long (no problem for me, I like long movies) 3. Yes Sir, I'll do, Sir! :P Do you find this valuable? |
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13. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 2 2011, 9:12 PM EDT
"1. They aired the episodes out of order. The pilot explained some of the backstory, but they did not air it first. I believe this created some confusion with the viewers. Also, they chose not to air the last few episodes at all. I considered that to be a loss for the viewers because I enjoyed those episodes on the discs.1. TVs... 2. You haven't :o What are you waiting for, empty your fridge, enter inside and put a timer to 3 years, when you'll defrost the movie will be ready... or it will never be :P (And don't really hope, in case of a nuclear war meantime, the fridge to protect you!) About Aliens, it worked because Alien completely ended its story: Aliens is only another story in the same place with only one character from the first film (who is also used to summarize), so everyone can (as I successfully did) view Aliens not knowing Alien. Do you find this valuable? |
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14. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 2 2011, 10:10 PM EDT
"1. TVs..."About Aliens, it worked because Alien completely ended its story: Aliens is only another story in the same place with only one character from the first film (who is also used to summarize), so everyone can (as I successfully did) view Aliens not knowing Alien." This is why I picked Aliens as an example. The lack of complexity in the first movie makes the second movie an acceptable stand-alone. When complexity is too great, follow-ons become difficult. Firefly did not have prohibitive complexity. Serenity worked well. You will enjoy watching it. TSCC is complex. But I don't know if its complexity is too much and becomes prohibitive. Obviously, you think it is prohibitive. I don't know. Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 3 2011, 2:50 AM EDT
"...You won't regret, believe me. I agree to everything what TNT and Gusar said above about Firefly/Serenity. I even watched Serenity first (sadly not at the cinema, but more ore less accidently on DVD). I was enthusiastic about it and imagine how thrilled i was when I realized that there was even more stuff to watch ... Firefly. And it was awesome. Firefly/Serenity has another big plus, you can easily watch it again and it never gets boring. One additinal tip. If possible watch Serenity on Blu-Ray on a big HDTV, the difference in quality compared to DVD is really remarkable. This doesn't go for Firefly. Though it's available on Blu-Ray too, I cannot see a real difference in picture quality compared to DVD (probably because it wasn't originally filmed in HD?). Do you find this valuable? |
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16. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 3 2011, 5:05 PM EDT
"1. This is why I picked Aliens as an example. The lack of complexity in the first movie makes the second movie an acceptable stand-alone. When complexity is too great, follow-ons become difficult.1. Some complexity is not reported to the second movie, because unneeded (like the story of the ship over the eggs and the message) 2. OK, I'll do. 3. maybe It's not prohibitive (if we're not talking about 90' but at least 120, very few of which used for fight scenes), if you remove unneeded parts leaving only needed ones, but, doing so, you have 2 problems: a. you tell us which parts were important and which weren't, so, who knows the show, could understand things before they are told in the movie; b. they could decide (to reduce length) to cut some needed parts. Anyway, in TSCC case, if they want to produce a cinema movie, they'll use that money for T5, so I think that they will never not even think about a cinema sequel of TSCC (plus, remember that for each Terminator movie that goes to the cinema, Pacificor has to pay 5 million $) @ tscc1000: you just gave me a target date to view it: I was already planning to buy a new monitor (this is not horizontally HD). Thank to all for the details! Do you find this valuable? |
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17. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 3 2011, 8:53 PM EDT
"3. maybe It's not prohibitive (if we're not talking about 90' but at least 120, very few of which used for fight scenes), if you remove unneeded parts leaving only needed ones, but, doing so, you have 2 problems:Maybe they could do a TSCC follow on in 90 minutes. It could be all set in the post-Judgment Day future, with John meeting Savannah and joining the fight against Skynet. John Henry and Weaver would be working to recruit an army of anti-Skynet terminators to be the Third Faction. The post-Judgment Day scenes could be shot in any cheap location. Five lines of dialog would clean up a lot of loose ends. John Henry -- "Cameron's identity was erased when I downloaded into her chip." Savannah -- "The AI that attacked Zeira in 2009 was able to infiltrate military computers and caused Judgment Day." Savannah -- "Cameron's body was put in storage but destroyed during Judgment Day." Savannah -- "Sarah died of cancer a year after you left." Savannah -- "After you left, Ellison adopted me and we moved out to the desert to survive Judgment Day, then we came back." These lines could be spoken in less than two minutes. They could be spoken during other action, like while riding in a car, running, or during a lull in a firefight, so they might not even require that much extra time during the movie. Do you find this valuable? |
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18. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 3 2011, 9:22 PM EDT
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"Maybe they could do a TSCC follow on in 90 minutes.hahaha this seems a trailer, not a movie :P Anyway, I was (always) talking about a movie made with the original ideas for S3 (/4) by the original writers (as I know Serenity to be, since that's what we started from). And why not: (Monitor in John Henry's room): Now, with Cameron's knowledges, I am Skynet and can destroy my brother...and you all! Then a shot on the desert showing the nuclear explosions all around. Then a "20 years later" writing and again JH's monitor saying "I gave you what you wanted: peace... eternal peace!!" (and then you see JH and Cam playing chess, with another monitor showing the points: 3847583750380:0 for JH... he's cheating!) Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: Morena baccarin on the Mentalist April 7
Apr 3 2011, 9:47 PM EDT
"Anyway, I was (always) talking about a movie made with the original ideas for S3 (/4) by the original writers (as I know Serenity to be, since that's what we started from)."It is not a trailer. It is a way to clean up the story so the movie can be practical. I am serious about it, but you put out another idea as a joke. How do you know the original writers had any ideas for S3 (/4)? In S1 and S2 their writing seemed pretty unstructured. For example, they originally thought after the Jeep explosion that Cameron would do a long crawl to save John and Sarah, but then they decided to let her limp and that she would go bad. Their stories seemed fairly ad hoc and fluid. It did not seem like they had a structured plan for the season and stuck with it. This makes me doubt that they had anything really worked out for S3. So let us assume that you are right about the writers -- that they had some definite plans for S3. You do not know if they would have made a simple plan like what I threw out in post #17 here. Then they could have a quick movie and be done. You cannot say that such a movie is impractical because you don't know what they were going to do. Do you find this valuable? |