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Commentary on my first TSCC review ever
Dec 12 2010, 4:37 PM EST
I've been having computer problems that have kept me from producing new material. Until I get them resolved, I'm filling the gaps with commentaries on my old videos.Here's a look back at the first review. The one that Summer Glau mentioned in the DVD commentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbuP8i_15NQ Also available at my website: www.sirbuckethead.wordpress.com 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?
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Samson and Delilah
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termi-ninja-tor |
1. RE: Commentary on my first TSCC review ever
Dec 15 2010, 12:05 PM EST
Well, OK, I listened to your commentary. When I first saw this thread, I developed the misimpression that you were just asking us to look at the original review again.But now I know you wanted us to listen to your own commentary on the original review. I thought your use of blue words made your remarks more frank versus the bleeping. Listening again to your remarks about the show and your self classification as a Jameron reminded me of a quick thought that I had some time ago. I briefly had the impression that John and Cameron might have been sleeping together in Season 1. Completely on the sly, of course. Why would Cameron do this? After seeing John go off by himself against Sarah's instructions a few times (returning to the house in the pilot, infiltrating the warehouse with the coltan in Heavy Metal, etc.), Cameron might believe she needed some extra leverage to get him to listen to her. Why would John do this? He is a healthy teen boy and Cameron is attractive. But he developed a strong attraction (love?) for her and this is what motivated him to re-insert her chip, defying rational logic and his mother as well. When Cameron realized that he took such a risk because of his love for her, she decided to stop sleeping with him so he would not be motivated to do something like that if she glitched again. She herself clearly thought he should not have taken the risk of re-inserting her chip. Because she dumped him, he became angry at her and this explains many of his reactions during early Season 2. Like how poorly he treated her on a day to day basis. Like how he basically went ballistic and took Riley to Mexico after Cameron spent some time lying next to him in bed. Like how angry he became when she said she loved him while mimicking Riley's voice over the phone. Etc. These reflect his anger and hurt from being dumped by Cameron. I have grudgingly set this idea aside after being criticized by others. Ah well. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Commentary on my first TSCC review ever
Dec 15 2010, 1:32 PM EST
"These reflect his anger and hurt from being dumped by Cameron.Well I'm not gonna criticize, but I do have some disagreements. Obviously we know they never had sex, but a lot of people seem to think that she used his attraction for her, for some of the reasons that you stated. Problem is, she wouldn't need to realize that she needed some extra leverage. She knew that from the start. In Heavy Metal Cameron remarks "John does these things sometimes." She knows he isn't always going to listen. And yes, when he reinserts her chip, she tones back on her effections and humanity (whether real or manufactured) quite dramatically. Because she realizes that his feelings for her are a danger to him, even if useful at times (Mr. Feruson is ill. In a way, yes, Cameron did dump him. I always felt that the subtext of the conversation John and Cameron have in Automatic, is a breakup scene. "Things have changed, John." And this is backed up by JF saying that he brought in Riley as a "rebound girl" from Cameron. And yes, Riley is a way of getting back at Cameron. But when John goes right to Mexico, after Cameron is lying in bed with him, that's not because he's angry with her. That's him literally running away from his feelings for her. It's "I'm in love with a robot, aaaaaaaaaah! Nooooo!" As JF says he's using Riley to sublimate his feelings for Cameron. Sure John is angry with Cameron, for trying to kill him, and not really giving a satisfying apology. He wants her to apologize for what she did, and make him believe that she will never do it again. The latter of that is impossible. And clearly the "I love you and you love me" is a sore spot that you don't bring up around John. Look how he flips out when Sarah reminds him of it. Then later Cameron reminds him of it. Do you find this valuable? |
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termi-ninja-tor |
3. RE: Commentary on my first TSCC review ever
Dec 15 2010, 2:08 PM EST
"Well I'm not gonna criticize, but I do have some disagreements. Obviously we know they never had sex, but a lot of people seem to think that she used his attraction for her, for some of the reasons that you stated. Problem is, she wouldn't need to realize that she needed some extra leverage. She knew that from the start. In Heavy Metal Cameron remarks "John does these things sometimes." She knows he isn't always going to listen. And yes, when he reinserts her chip, she tones back on her effections and humanity (whether real or manufactured) quite dramatically. Because she realizes that his feelings for her are a danger to him, even if useful at times (Mr. Feruson is ill. In a way, yes, Cameron did dump him. I always felt that the subtext of the conversation John and Cameron have in Automatic, is a breakup scene. "Things have changed, John." And this is backed up by JF saying that he brought in Riley as a "rebound girl" from Cameron. And yes, Riley is a way of getting back at Cameron. But when John goes right to Mexico, after Cameron is lying in bed with him, that's not because he's angry with her. That's him literally running away from his feelings for her. It's "I'm in love with a robot, aaaaaaaaaah! Nooooo!" As JF says he's using Riley to sublimate his feelings for Cameron. Sure John is angry with Cameron, for trying to kill him, and not really giving a satisfying apology. He wants her to apologize for what she did, and make him believe that she will never do it again. The latter of that is impossible. And clearly the "I love you and you love me" is a sore spot that you don't bring up around John. Look how he flips out when Sarah reminds him of it. Then later Cameron reminds him of it."Good thoughts. Do you find this valuable? |
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t5000 |
4. RE: Commentary on my first TSCC review ever
Dec 16 2010, 10:18 PM EST
I like TNT's version , it all makes sense , even though we cannot prove it.@CK I would like to see the original commentary do you still have that ?? are you going to do reviews on the cape ?? Do you find this valuable? |
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KevinInScotland |
5. RE: Commentary on my first TSCC review ever
Dec 19 2010, 4:33 PM EST
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I have just reworded this, it looks a little confrontational, which I did not mean to portray. I am useless sometimes.Hello thecrusadingknight, terminators are not made with sex or as a male or female, they are what they are: 'it'. They don't possess pheromones or estrogen, so I believe anything sexual has to be totally chip related (obviously) and somehow sexual programs are made in Cameron's memory. I believe they are all what John wants her to feel and not what she chooses. I don't see how she can be a sexual being that can be attracted to humans in that way. Complicated. Also, I believe she would be comparable to a dog, insofar that she possessesses sensitive smelling abilities and other things and might not consider his appearance at all. So the only thing left is his status above his fellow man which she might find attractive. (and a nice smell lol). Secondly, I believe that an apology is only necessary if it is definitely your fault. (Not yours, hers! LOL) Cameron's chip went bad because it was somebody else's fault. You ask for an apology from a cyborg which is different from a human and probably does not see your logic? These are my thoughts, I tried to be gnothi Seauton-like. Like you say, certain things in this series are so awesome and often call for so much more than say, a CSI or hospital drama when it comes to acting. I have been watching Dollhouse again and now I see so much more than before. (I loved Summer's acting skill in that too). t5000 I was going to ask the same question. I do know of the acknowledgement by Summer that she saw a video but I can't remember where or when. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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FrenchFanofTSCC |
6. RE: Commentary on my first TSCC review ever
Jan 9 2011, 7:31 AM EST
excellent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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thecrusadingknight |
7. RE: Commentary on my first TSCC review ever
Jan 9 2011, 8:44 AM EST
I didn't realize there were replies on this thread, something is wrong with my alerts. I haven't been getting emails about pages I watch or messages I receive.@kevinInscotland, I think Terminators are made as male or female save for the liquid metal who are made for neither. When we heard Cameron speak in AFP before she got Allison's skin, it was a female voice. I think that Skynet designs Terminators to replicate males and others to replicate females. As for the issue of can she be sexually attracted to humans, you and Godfathersjp agree completely on that issue. Have you two discussed it before? I disagree, because number 1 I think that scientific explanations of Terminators can only go so far because we're talking about science FICTION. Super smart robots ( some of them sentient) built with a nearly indestructible meta that can grow human skin, eyes, mouths, tongues, etc. This is scientifically impossible, at least to a point. We've got a show based a round time travel, that will never be scientifically possible. If you ask me, a cyborg who's romantically in love with a human is fairly easy to buy in such a circumstance. But that's just me. And I do think there is a line, I for one do NOT believe she can ever get pregnant. 2) Zack Stenz himself has commented that if you ( a terminator) emulate something long enough you start to absorb it. In the case of Cameron, I think that's definitely the case. She definitely seems to enjoy having John touch her in BTR. @the apology, whether or not it was her fault, John still wants an apology. I apologize plenty of times for things that were not my fault, but still I feel responsible. Or sometimes I just feel bad that something happened for someone. John never gets that from Cameron. More than an apology though, I think what John always wanted was Cameron's reassurance that it would never happen again. Something she obviously can't give him. Do you find this valuable? |
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8. RE: Commentary on my first TSCC review ever
Jan 9 2011, 8:46 AM EST
By the way that Commentary where she mentioned me was in S&D.
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thecrusadingknight |
9. RE: Commentary on my first TSCC review ever
Apr 29 2011, 8:44 AM EDT
New commentaries posted on more old TSCC videos:www.sirbuckethead.wordpress.com Do you find this valuable? |