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ReadOutMan
If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 11 2010, 2:27 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 11 2010, 2:27 AM EDT
Seriously folks, this whole Reilly/John entanglement was a joke for the series. I agree that John needed companionship but Reilly was a waste of his time. Cameron is basically everything that a man needs... beautiful, attentive, concerned, and interested in whatever he's interested in. That's a real "lover" companion.

I don't understand why this isn't 100% apparent to all viewers, John Conner is a loner, a lifelong solitary type who won't be able to settle down to a typical BF/GF relationship like most other persons out there. In a way, he's a lot like those professional soldier-of-fortunes who don't have wives but trysts, from time to time, and esp at brothels in eastern Europe. Just look at Jesse/Derek, a complete failure when humans hookup, when a world isn't stable & frailties give way to constant betrayals.

Thus, why wouldn't John simply tell Cameron the truth ... and that's that they're the best match for each other, albeit, I'm sure that Cameron wouldn't have a problem scooping up pretty much all the intellectual loners in America w/o an issue, if she so choose, but of course, her programming is only to protect and be-friend John Conner. Lucky Bastard!
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termi-ninja-tor
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1. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 11 2010, 3:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 11 2010, 3:41 AM EDT
I can see how John might fall in love with Cameron, as any teenage boy might.

I cannot agree that Cameron felt love for John at the beginning, before she developed human sensitivities.

By the end of Season 2, Cameron seemed to have developed some human sensitivities, although I don't know if she had gotten as far as to be able to feel love. Maybe later. (Her hand glitching was a symbol of her human sensitivities struggling against her terminator logic, and the human sensitivities seemed to have won by the end of Season 2.)

I think her terminator programming was smart enough to know that she would have more control over her situation with John if she could make him love her. It would be easier for her to protect him if he loved her enough to follow her instructions, like if Sarah disagreed with Cameron and Cameron needed John to obey Cameron, not his mother.

I found it disturbing that John treated Cameron so poorly in most of Season 2. I did not understand it. Most of us just attributed it to John's quirky emo-nature. It was sad to see them drifting apart.

But I have another theory. Perhaps John and Cameron were sleeping together in Season 1. John would have his normal teenage boy reaction to a pretty girl. Cameron would want this too, so she could have more control over the situation.

This would explain why John did the unthinkable -- he re-inserted her chip and he held Sarah and Derek at gunpoint while Cameron rebooted. John did it because Cameron was already his lover. He did it out of his love for her.

After she rebooted, she realized that he "couldn't be trusted anymore" because he made the wrong choice. She obviously thought he took too much of a risk. She blamed his love for it, so she stopped sleeping with him.

This pissed him off and made him sad. That is why he treated her so badly for the rest of Season 2.

What do you think of that?
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MetalHunter
MetalHunter
2. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 11 2010, 6:19 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 11 2010, 6:20 AM EDT
I seriously doubt that The Future Savior Of Mankind have balls enough to throw in his bed other "girls" than a barely intelligent tunnel rat (with direct orders) or an inflatable lady...

So, Riley was The Perfect Sex-Toy for The Professed Savior. He was so lucky to see her hole. Thanks Billions Times, Jesse!

BTW, even the female Terminators have their honor. ;)
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meanoldmoe
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3. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 11 2010, 9:31 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 11 2010, 9:31 AM EDT
Cameron most likely has the best chance of surviving the rigors of war with John.
Riley?....nope...she'd turn tail and run as soon as times got tough.
If there was no Cameron....John would either be with Kate. ( a strong woman worthy of being his partner) or he would be alone.
Without a Kate or Cameron, John would only want female companionship for "booty call".....and the gilrs in that time would stick by him to gain access to perks of being a leader.
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ReadOutMan
4. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 11 2010, 1:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 11 2010, 1:46 PM EDT
MeanOldMoe, I concur. Riley was a runner and unfortunately, given John's weaknesses, he would have tried to protect her instead of himself which would have compromised his safety in a future firefight. The only *right* human woman for him would have been Sigourney Weaver (as in "Aliens" Ellen Ripley) and there was no such woman in his reality. Sigourney Weaver had all of Jesse's toughness plus a nice slice of femininity (which even Sara Conner lacks) but none of her duplicity, which is what John needs. And as for John's booty call w/ survivors ... well ... we all know that that's a trap for all budding leaders and thus, it's better to avoid it and have a safe android at home (or bunker). And if Cameron was my android, I might never go to work. Do you find this valuable?    
meanoldmoe
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5. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 11 2010, 2:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 11 2010, 2:59 PM EDT
"MeanOldMoe, I concur. Riley was a runner and unfortunately, given John's weaknesses, he would have tried to protect her instead of himself which would have compromised his safety in a future firefight. The only *right* human woman for him would have been Sigourney Weaver (as in "Aliens" Ellen Ripley) and there was no such woman in his reality. Sigourney Weaver had all of Jesse's toughness plus a nice slice of femininity (which even Sara Conner lacks) but none of her duplicity, which is what John needs. And as for John's booty call w/ survivors ... well ... we all know that that's a trap for all budding leaders and thus, it's better to avoid it and have a safe android at home (or bunker). And if Cameron was my android, I might never go to work."
LOL...... ummmmm....yep!! We all need a Cameron.
Talk about the perfect GF to have.....with non of the demanding girly stuff like PMS .

I'm sure John would need a break....machines can go on and on , but humans need to rest.
So his break could be doing his leadership duties....lol.
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R.Daneel_Olivaw
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6. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 12 2010, 6:32 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 12 2010, 6:32 AM EDT
"LOL...... ummmmm....yep!! We all need a Cameron.
Talk about the perfect GF to have.....with non of the demanding girly stuff like PMS .

I'm sure John would need a break....machines can go on and on , but humans need to rest.
So his break could be doing his leadership duties....lol."
I think S&D proved Cameron could have PMS - Programmed Murder Syndrome.

Some of my wives were tough, but I never had to pin'em between two trucks and pull their brains out.
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meanoldmoe
meanoldmoe
7. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 12 2010, 8:09 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 12 2010, 8:09 AM EDT
"I think S&D proved Cameron could have PMS - Programmed Murder Syndrome.

Some of my wives were tough, but I never had to pin'em between two trucks and pull their brains out."
lmao..... tff!!
I could prob try the same with my Ex....but she is like the undead.....she would still come after me...with or without a brain!!
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MetalHunter
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8. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 12 2010, 9:11 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 12 2010, 9:11 AM EDT
"LOL...... ummmmm....yep!! We all need a Cameron.
Talk about the perfect GF to have.....with non of the demanding girly stuff like PMS .

I'm sure John would need a break....machines can go on and on , but humans need to rest.
So his break could be doing his leadership duties....lol."
To me it seems funny that we think of Cameron as the perfect girlfriend ... Maybe so, but we ignore how much it costs to buy a female cyborg like Cameron.

What exactly is Cameron? A sentient assault weapon made as a prototype. In another forum, the guys have calculated that production cost would be for a cyborg like Cameron. Somewhere between 300 and 500 million dollars.

Because the technology would become very dangerous in the hands of the Enemy Powers, I seriously doubt that Defense Department will accept you to take Cameron home.

However, I think if you have 500 million dollars to spent on girls, you will never gonna miss the girls, whatever you are ugly like a bear.

If you are just so disappointed with the mentality of girls in America and you want a faithful wife in the likes of Cameron's mentality, to know that there are such girls.

For example, a very beautiful Muslim girl, educated from childhood, to be subjected to her husband and devoted to her family, if she has no noble origin, in Lebanon or other Muslim countries, she is sold at no more than $250-500,000.

I suppose that if you give double or triple the price, the girl's parents will overlook the little detail that you are Christian. In fact, everyone from her family, will think that you are crazy and crazy in love to this girl.

Anyway, the girl's price will be 500 times lower than Cameron's production price. ;))

As bottom line, Cameron is not for lone teenagers, because to buy an Cameron class cyborg is like to buy a F-117A Nighthawk Stealth Fighter armed with nuclear munition. ;)
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ReadOutMan
9. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 13 2010, 1:08 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 13 2010, 1:08 AM EDT
MetalHunter, I understand your perspective, from a pure current purchase order p.o.v., and the fact that the military owns many of these droids, but think about this ... today, both Japan and Korea Incs are designing robots to look like female companions. Part of this is to supplement their societies with medical assistants for the elderly, Don't you think that by 2030, these androids will cost the same as buying let's say a Lexus or Infiniti, by today's dollars? (*Hint: finacing options will be available)

Realize, that when a western guy goes for a third world "bride" from either the Islamic world or let's say Burma or Philippines, that at some point, that lady, if she takes her English courses and gets some IT or accounting courses under her belt, will be in demand by half the guys from Maine to California, that our guy will probably be facing a divorce in 5 to 10 years? In reality, if the guy isn't some prize, like some reasonably handsome CalTech/MIT/Carnegie Mellon graduate w/ a hedge fund a/o Wall St gig but doesn't fool around much (since he's an academic type), many women from these places eventually leave them for a more happening guy.

Thus, Cameron is still the perfect GF. Albeit, I suspect that the first medical assistant android model may look more like Marilyn Monroe for the typical western audience. BTW, I'm not complaining if Monroe's the only available fembot, that would do me fine.




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t5000
t5000
10. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 13 2010, 8:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 13 2010, 8:09 PM EDT
fembots are being developed other places as well, if you search on you tube, there are some amazing looking fembots already, the just dont have much upstairs.The jap. are doing alot with getting them to learn and act human. they just dont look all great.
I know one is even in a play and she operates on learning as well as programming.
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R.Daneel_Olivaw
R.Daneel_Olivaw
11. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 14 2010, 7:53 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 14 2010, 7:53 AM EDT
"To me it seems funny that we think of Cameron as the perfect girlfriend ... Maybe so, but we ignore how much it costs to buy a female cyborg like Cameron.

What exactly is Cameron? A sentient assault weapon made as a prototype. In another forum, the guys have calculated that production cost would be for a cyborg like Cameron. Somewhere between 300 and 500 million dollars.

Because the technology would become very dangerous in the hands of the Enemy Powers, I seriously doubt that Defense Department will accept you to take Cameron home.

However, I think if you have 500 million dollars to spent on girls, you will never gonna miss the girls, whatever you are ugly like a bear.

If you are just so disappointed with the mentality of girls in America and you want a faithful wife in the likes of Cameron's mentality, to know that there are such girls.

For example, a very beautiful Muslim girl, educated from childhood, to be subjected to her husband and devoted to her family, if she has no noble origin, in Lebanon or other Muslim countries, she is sold at no more than $250-500,000.

I suppose that if you give double or triple the price, the girl's parents will overlook the little detail that you are Christian. In fact, everyone from her family, will think that you are crazy and crazy in love to this girl.

Anyway, the girl's price will be 500 times lower than Cameron's production price. ;))

As bottom line, Cameron is not for lone teenagers, because to buy an Cameron class cyborg is like to buy a F-117A Nighthawk Stealth Fighter armed with nuclear munition. ;)"
MH, how much did you pay for your wife?

Seriously, when you talk about buying a slave as a domestic partner, it makes me really hope you are kidding.

Really.
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MetalShifter
MetalShifter
12. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 14 2010, 9:07 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 14 2010, 9:07 AM EDT
"MH, how much did you pay for your wife?

Seriously, when you talk about buying a slave as a domestic partner, it makes me really hope you are kidding.

Really."
I consider it a joke and I'm currently LMFAO!!!
I like such evil jokes!!! ;-)

In fact: For most of the guys a sex doll of SG will do it! ;-)))
Estimated costs: $ 2.500,-

-MS
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ReadOutMan
13. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 14 2010, 9:31 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 14 2010, 9:31 AM EDT
Hey fellows, I think I may have spoken too soon. Looks like the first robot A.I. love dolls are already in a beta mode and for sale in the USA. Thank the stars for Yankee ingenuity.

truecompanion.com

The list price is already under $7. I suspect that within 15-20 years, the $50K *Lexus* model will be not too far from the actual Cameron in the show.
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ReadOutMan
14. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 14 2010, 9:52 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 14 2010, 9:52 AM EDT
"MH, how much did you pay for your wife?"

I think this is a common mistake, made by certain American guys who marry abroad, thinking that their brides are hapless and docile.

For the most part, this only works out when the guy is a part of a diaspora a/o has some language skills or experience living abroad. If you're one of these fellows, then you're not posting on this topic matter.

Many women, once they become full US residents, will eventually be assimilated and leave their husbands, once they discover that the average American woman isn't interested in men, outside of 'hit & run', anymore. Thus, women have pre-existing social networks which insure that they're never fully alone but these networks have been slowly excluding men over the decades. In other words, a series of 'Desperate Housewives' to 'Sex In The City' type of associations.
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R.Daneel_Olivaw
R.Daneel_Olivaw
15. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 14 2010, 3:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 14 2010, 3:23 PM EDT
""MH, how much did you pay for your wife?"

I think this is a common mistake, made by certain American guys who marry abroad, thinking that their brides are hapless and docile.

For the most part, this only works out when the guy is a part of a diaspora a/o has some language skills or experience living abroad. If you're one of these fellows, then you're not posting on this topic matter.

Many women, once they become full US residents, will eventually be assimilated and leave their husbands, once they discover that the average American woman isn't interested in men, outside of 'hit & run', anymore. Thus, women have pre-existing social networks which insure that they're never fully alone but these networks have been slowly excluding men over the decades. In other words, a series of 'Desperate Housewives' to 'Sex In The City' type of associations.
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I don't think I made a 'common American mistake'.

Read MetalHunter's post. He was talking about buying Muslim women.

When humans are bought and sold, that is slavery.
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meanoldmoe
meanoldmoe
16. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 14 2010, 7:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 14 2010, 7:04 PM EDT
"To me it seems funny that we think of Cameron as the perfect girlfriend ... Maybe so, but we ignore how much it costs to buy a female cyborg like Cameron.

What exactly is Cameron? A sentient assault weapon made as a prototype. In another forum, the guys have calculated that production cost would be for a cyborg like Cameron. Somewhere between 300 and 500 million dollars.

Because the technology would become very dangerous in the hands of the Enemy Powers, I seriously doubt that Defense Department will accept you to take Cameron home.

However, I think if you have 500 million dollars to spent on girls, you will never gonna miss the girls, whatever you are ugly like a bear.

If you are just so disappointed with the mentality of girls in America and you want a faithful wife in the likes of Cameron's mentality, to know that there are such girls.

For example, a very beautiful Muslim girl, educated from childhood, to be subjected to her husband and devoted to her family, if she has no noble origin, in Lebanon or other Muslim countries, she is sold at no more than $250-500,000.

I suppose that if you give double or triple the price, the girl's parents will overlook the little detail that you are Christian. In fact, everyone from her family, will think that you are crazy and crazy in love to this girl.

Anyway, the girl's price will be 500 times lower than Cameron's production price. ;))

As bottom line, Cameron is not for lone teenagers, because to buy an Cameron class cyborg is like to buy a F-117A Nighthawk Stealth Fighter armed with nuclear munition. ;)"
Hey MH...... China will copy the design and built it to sell for a few thousand !!
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MetalHunter
MetalHunter
17. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 19 2010, 2:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 19 2010, 2:38 PM EDT
"When humans are bought and sold, that is slavery.
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Come on! Everyone knows that Americans buy women from WallMart! :P

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The1Russter
The1Russter
18. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 19 2010, 4:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 19 2010, 4:48 PM EDT
Looks like the typical quality goods found at Walmart. Betcha there's a tattoo on her but that says 'Made in China' 'Hand Wash Only' 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
MetalHunter
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19. RE: If John Conner doesn't want Cameron, then I'll take her
Jul 19 2010, 5:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 19 2010, 5:09 PM EDT
Made in China? I don't believe.

THIS girl is Made in China:

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