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Danska |
Hmmm...
Jan 23 2010, 6:21 PM EST
It is a paradox, but I bet the first time around John Connor was fathered by a man who wasn't from the future. And we'll probably never hear who it was. Do you find this valuable?
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termi-ninja-tor |
1. RE: Hmmm...
Jan 23 2010, 6:35 PM EST
"It is a paradox, but I bet the first time around John Connor was fathered by a man who wasn't from the future. And we'll probably never hear who it was.Yes, I am guessing it was Stan Morsky. Remember Sarah and roommate Ginger were getting fixed up to go out on dates, but Stan called and canceled in a message left on their answering machine. (Stan was the guy with a Porsche.) From my profile page: Kyle arriving in a ball of lightening was observed by the derelict, and his subsequent activities, like eluding police and stealing clothing, the shotgun, and the car, somehow resulted in Stan Morsky canceling his date with Sarah, during which Stan would have fathered the first John. Stan could have been a cop, CSI, police psychiatrist, or consulting scientist who got called to investigate what Kyle did. As a result, Sarah ate dinner alone, and then Kyle tailing Sarah spooked her and caused her to call home and inadvertently let Arnie know that he had not killed her and gave him her location at the disco. Without Kyle, Sarah would have come home from her date with Stan, discovered Ginger and Matt dead, called the police, and gone into hiding, likely with a name change. We know Sarah was fertile at about that time because she did it with Kyle the next evening and had our John. Do you find this valuable? |
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2. RE: Hmmm...
Jan 23 2010, 8:10 PM EST
I can understand this premise although I don't believe that Kyle prevented SC from going on a date with SC. As I recall, he called first (early in the evening) and blew her off, so she went out by herself. The rest is history.But I don't like the idea that SC may have gone on a date with him earlier in her life, and may have gotten pregnant as a result... But this still doesn't change the outcome that John thinks Kyle is his father (as does SC, bc of what Kyles tells Sarah) and thus the T mythos begins - and is perpetuated. But I do like the imagination of you guys and are to be commended for "thinking outside the box." Do you find this valuable? |
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tscchope |
3. RE: Hmmm...
Jan 24 2010, 11:30 AM EST
Had Skynet not developed tim,e travel, sent a terminoator bk ro kill JSarah Connor, the resistance wuld not have sent back Kyle to beome John's father.Without those events Ginger and matrt would not have diedand had Sarah and Stan had a son, he would more than likley not have been called John and Skynet would have been able to do whatever it wantedt othe human race. T1 nailed down that Kyle was John's father by the tapes Sarah made for him. John Connor is the paradox. Do you find this valuable? |
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termi-ninja-tor |
4. RE: Hmmm...
Jan 24 2010, 11:58 AM EST
"Had Skynet not developed tim,e travel, sent a terminoator bk ro kill JSarah Connor, the resistance wuld not have sent back Kyle to beome John's father.Remember, John Connor sent Kyle back the first time. That means there was a John Connor before Kyle ever met Sarah. Kyle could not have been the father of that John Connor. Someone else was the father -- this is what the OP implied, too. Before there was ever any time travel, Sarah had a son that she named John. Being a single mother, she could name her son whatever she wanted. I think she liked the name John for whatever reason. I think Stan Morsky was the father. That John grew up to be the Resistance leader, and he sent back Kyle after Skynet sent Arnie. As a result of Kyle being sent back, Sarah did not go on her date with Stan, but she did have her one-night-stand with Kyle. After that, she had a son fathered by Kyle which she named John again. So the two Johns were different men with different fathers. The original John's father was Stan, and our John's father was Kyle. Do you find this valuable? |
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tscchope |
5. RE: Hmmm...
Jan 24 2010, 1:15 PM EST
That's the nature of a paradox.There's aneffect John Connor is the resistance leader whom Skynet sends a terminator back to eliminate by killing his mother, only there's no cause. John Connor does not exist unless Skynet and the resistance send someone back.Once Kyle's been sent back, the cause exists and reality can breathe a sigh of relief. Do you find this valuable? |
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termi-ninja-tor |
6. RE: Hmmm...
Jan 24 2010, 3:05 PM EST
"That's the nature of a paradox.I'm not sure I understand you. Are you saying that there was no original John? That the John that sent Kyle back was always Kyle's son? That if Kyle had never been sent back, there would never have been any John Connor? Well, if you believe that, I can see why it appears to be a paradox to you. I have a different view: Before there was ever any time traveling, Sarah had a son she named John who was fathered by Stan Morsky. This John grew up and lived through Judgment Day. Eventually he became the leader of the Resistance. Skynet made a TDE and sent back Arnie. The Resistance captured the TDE and sent back Kyle. Because Kyle was sent back, Stan Morsky did not go on a date with Sarah, and instead Kyle slept with Sarah the next night. That was how our John got started. Just like the first John, our John grew up and lived through Judgment Day. Eventually he became the leader of the Resistance. Skynet made a TDE and sent back Arnie. The Resistance captured the TDE and sent back Kyle. Again, Kyle slept with Sarah. As I said before, this means there were two different Johns wtih different fathers. And it does not require the assumption that there is an unexplained paradox. Believe what you want. If you are happier living with paradoxes, then your answer is best. Do you find this valuable? |
MetalHunter |
7. RE: Hmmm...
Jan 24 2010, 4:23 PM EST
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Birth of first John Connor is not a paradox, if John Connor inherits the main qualities of leadership, from the maternal genealogical line.In communities with traditional views about family, where they know very clearly the family tree, has been observed empirically, that some people are very similar in appearance or behavior, with one of his ancestors. So we can have two different men, born of different fathers, but that inherit the look and the post-JDay qualities of military leadership of the grandfather (or the great-great-grandfather), from the maternal genealogical line... ;-) Do you find this valuable? |
