"Yo noob...welcome! But this stuff has been talked about to death.

YOur "opinion" is the consensus of just about everyone here that has EVER commented ON this wiki!

Nice try tho..."

"Yeh, different time lines.

I have the sense that T4 occurs in the future that follows T1 but before the story of T2, i.e., before the T-1000 and Uncle Bob are sent back.

Of course, we don't know, but this is just my impression given John's attitude toward Marcus and his reactions to the new T-800. To me, it was as if he had never spent time with Uncle Bob in T2 or the T-850 in T3 (or Cameron, of course), nor had any knowledge of higher models like LMTs.

And T3 seems to have occurred after John went through T2, as I would expect. They referred to some of the stuff that happened in T2 in the T3 dialog.

I could imagine that after Sarah blew up Cyberdyne in T2, one of the surviving research scientists on Miles Dyson's team would have completed development of Skynet. This had been his job at Cyberdyne and we know the Air Force wanted it done, so he got hired to do it at another place.So, he made the new Skynet in T3.

At the end of the T3 story, John and Kate are in an old military shelter and very disappointed that they could not stop Judgment Day. I can believe that after they eventually get a hold of the TDE, they send somebody back to kill the developer, the surviving research scientist from Cyberdyne who continued the work after Sarah blew up Cyberdyne.

After this scientist is killed, the story of T3 is wiped out. It doesn't happen. Instead, we get Andy Goode developing his first Turk, which becomes Skynet after winning the chess tournament and being taken by the Air Force. This then is what kicks off the whole TSCC story.

So, I can think that it can all hang together this way."

"The problem is that James Cameron left us divided on both the movie and TV series without tying both venues. I still believe we the fans are owed that much."

"Yeh, different time lines.

I have the sense that T4 occurs in the future that follows T1 but before the story of T2, i.e., before the T-1000 and Uncle Bob are sent back.

Of course, we don't know, but this is just my impression given John's attitude toward Marcus and his reactions to the new T-800. To me, it was as if he had never spent time with Uncle Bob in T2 or the T-850 in T3 (or Cameron, of course), nor had any knowledge of higher models like LMTs.

And T3 seems to have occurred after John went through T2, as I would expect. They referred to some of the stuff that happened in T2 in the T3 dialog.

I could imagine that after Sarah blew up Cyberdyne in T2, one of the surviving research scientists on Miles Dyson's team would have completed development of Skynet. This had been his job at Cyberdyne and we know the Air Force wanted it done, so he got hired to do it at another place.So, he made the new Skynet in T3.

At the end of the T3 story, John and Kate are in an old military shelter and very disappointed that they could not stop Judgment Day. I can believe that after they eventually get a hold of the TDE, they send somebody back to kill the developer, the surviving research scientist from Cyberdyne who continued the work after Sarah blew up Cyberdyne.

After this scientist is killed, the story of T3 is wiped out. It doesn't happen. Instead, we get Andy Goode developing his first Turk, which becomes Skynet after winning the chess tournament and being taken by the Air Force. This then is what kicks off the whole TSCC story.

So, I can think that it can all hang together this way."

"Why bother?

I suppose I should respond to this, especially since the blue wiki devoted a whole thread to this question.

First, I’m bored. It is an intellectual exercise that happens to be interesting to me, like a puzzle, jigsaw or crossword. I wanted to see it if could be done. I wouldn’t do it if the show were still running cuz I’d rather think about the eps.

Second, I love the show and I love the characters. I would love to see them in the T movies, not just direct to DVD. I thought it would be nice to see if there was a way to fit them in. I understand they are not supposed to fit, but maybe they could fit anyhow.

Third, I like exploring the potential of time travel and different timelines. It’s an interesting kind of idea. I quoted sarahwannabe mentioning TSCC was a different timeline and it was an interesting idea that got me thinking. Didn’t expect it would be so totally upsetting to people (but I refuse to apologize for posting).

Fourth, I never hated T3 and T4 like some people. I don’t have a problem thinking about them being part of the whole Terminator saga. Especially since I remain hopeful that T5 and T6 might be better movies and the whole portfolio could be an epic tale, including TSCC.

Like I said, it actually looks like it could work out."

"Hi S,

Yeah, I got the wrong threads crossed up. Will eat, drank a beer, be better in a bit: takes more than 6 seconds for me to re-boot...

I forget where the hell I read, saw, was told that McG was on the set of TSCC and when JF found out he was in the writer's room he threw a fit and got McG out of there pronto.

Sorry I don't have a link for you, but can someone chime in to back this up? Not trying to "start a rumor" but I know I got this from a few people but the sources would be something that excapes me. (I really should function more like a reported and document everything but it just ain't that serious to fact check everyone's credential and stories).

And no, I'm not gonna run a search on this subject, since I KNOW the data has been posted somewhere so IF ya'll want to know you can search here or on the interweb just I I can if I weren't so lazy. So if you attack me for not looking I already cop to a lesser charge...

As for TSCC, the pilot took the show off the T2 timeline by jumping to the future in the TDE at the bank. But the finale was the death blow IMO that shattered what we know and I think will be very, very hard to put back together in a cohesive form. And yeah, I think this was done with malice in mind.

Ya'll can attack me on that, but I would prefer that you do it in the rant thread, so as not to derail this one."

"No, I didn't intend to imply it overlapped with T2...

My meaning was it vectored off with the TDE jump forward in the pilot, and thend veered off at an even sharper angle with the finale.

We KNOW that John becomes the leader, saves humanity from the brink, Skynet makes a last ditch effort and sends the T back to merc Sarah and John sends Kyle so he can be conceived, etc...

So, how does John jumping to a future where he is not known by his own UNCLE, FATHER, etc. AS "the" John Conner?

Could be done, but I can't think of many plot arcs that souldn't have the audience with major suspension of disbelief.

But what you said about the truck the next day is soooooo true!

And besides, even Jim Cameron didn't really follow his own "canon" so I guess since everyone else has whored out the T uninverse to whatever agenda suited their particular needs at the time, anything goes.

I'm sure you have some thoughts on this, so keep it pimpin' my good Dr.!

Oh, and my gf plugged me full of a huge dose of Odwalla SuperFood, so I feel better. Chomping on a mega salad, so I'm sure I'll be better..."

"We KNOW that John becomes the leader, saves humanity from the brink, Skynet makes a last ditch effort and sends the T back to merc Sarah and John sends Kyle so he can be conceived, etc...

So, how does John jumping to a future where he is not known by his own UNCLE, FATHER, etc. AS "the" John Conner?"