"But seriously, does anyone know if TSCC actually turned a profit for WB, or did they pass it on at cost?"

"... At that rate, we're looking at a high 300 million, 380 or so, for the total gross, about 50 million less than T3."

"DVD sales of 300k in the US are considered very, very good. That's the bare minimum for TSCC to go anywhere.

As for the profit margin, it's made back it's budget, so it's not a bomb, but movies aren't considered hits unless they double their budget. T4 needs to hit the 400 million mark to be considered a hit, and I mean a hit as in a successful picture. It's barely going to make that if the international numbers hold.

In all honesty, they probably won't. T4 brought in 65 million it's second full week of release, down from 99 million, so it's a 33% drop. That's great for a movie, but unlikely to stay. Expect a 40% drop next week, to 39-40 million or less. Puts it at 200 million internationally, with about 118 in the US, for about 320 million in 5 weekends in the US and 3 weekends internationally. After that, the take is going to have every weekend, to 20 million internationally, then 10, then 5, and so on. That's the norm for most movies. At that rate, we're looking at a high 300 million, 380 or so, for the total gross, about 50 million less than T3."

"i wonder how the merchandise has gone i saw a site that had one of those large well detailed figures of john connor for like $130 bucks and it was already sold out believe it or not O.O"

"Personally I see Terminator as something more like Star Trek. It has a fan base, a big fan base. But not a giant one like Spider Man, X-Men, or a host of other films like Transformers.

Terminator can do well, really well, if it is targeted to the right fan base.

I think part of the problem is that WB/Halcyon, they have not exploited that. They let a lot of time go to waste between T2 and T3 and then with T4. Excluding TSCC (which obviously was not a waste, IMO) they didn't do much. Only a few comics and a couple of bland books.

Terminator can be a hit. It can be a franchise. It should have a whole shelf of books devoted to it like Trek and Wars. There are tons and tons of plots you can do with a friggen universe based on time travel for frak sake. But we just get a few boring books and some comics and that's it.

They need to treat it as a franchise with a target audience larger than a niche but smaller than mainstream. It will never be mainstream, but it wont be small like say, Warhammer 40k or BSG.

They could do cartoons, live action series, more books, comics, digital comics, and stuff consumers and fans can use to expand the story."

"Yeah i think your right about it not being as huge as spider-man and so on [which would pull in more kids than terminator would]

Dark horse comics has two Terminator Omnibus Comic books i bought volume 1 on amazon havent read much yet but it is very well drawn and looks fantastic

Cartoon could be interesting if it was dark and not to made for young kids especially if they got some of the writers from Batman TAS or X-men or Justice league or someone like that to make the cartoon
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