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lordpoee |
Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from Fox.
Jun 13 2009, 3:42 PM EDT
First Firefly and now T:SCC. Any decent science-fiction series which has been shown on FOX comes an abrupt end.I strongly encourage the producers and writers of T:SCC to find a new home on another network, like The SciFi channel. Please do what Joss Wheaton did not have toe decency to do and continue T:SCC elsewhere, even as a web-series. Webisodes have distinct advantages over TV-Networks. One NO TV-Network to please. Only fans. *Internet Advertising Revenue. Hulu has the best model for drawing revenue I have seen so far, by allowing fans to watch great shows and incorporating RATEABLE ads into the show. (If you think an ad sucks you can click a link in the video window.) *Total Control. No big execs to tell you what you can and cannot do on your show. *No time slot to fill. You episode can be as long or short as you like. *NO Nielsen ratings. Get REAL TIME input from REAL people. *Real time input. The same hour a show is aired, you can monitor your forums for fan input! If more producers would start by-passing networks and taking advantage of the web we would see far less canceled shows and the end of holier than thou TV Networks. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?
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PyroDude |
1. RE: Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from Fox.
Jun 13 2009, 3:54 PM EDT
Wasn't Space, Above and Beyond also on Fox?
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DeadpooI |
2. RE: Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from F
Jun 13 2009, 3:57 PM EDT
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Slighty OT: I was browsing google and found a cheeky lil' thread (on another forum) all about how much FOX f**ks up sci-fi (particularly superhero) movies. Edit: Woops... Forgot to link. http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=303032 So yeah... Give them a miss, producers... Do it for meeee. Do you find this valuable? |
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lordpoee |
3. RE: Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from Fox.
Jun 13 2009, 3:58 PM EDT
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[quote]Slighty OT: I was browsing google and found a cheeky lil' thread (on another forum) all about how much FOX f**ks up sci-fi (particularly superhero) movies. [/quote]I don't know if FOX "F**ks them up" but they just sort of put the hammer to every good sci-fi series they get their hands on. Do you find this valuable? |
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lordpoee |
4. RE: Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from Fox.
Jun 13 2009, 4:00 PM EDT
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"Wasn't Space, Above and Beyond also on Fox?"Yep, awesome series. It aired on fox in 1995-1996. I miss that series. Now I'm gonna have to add that to my collection too. Do you find this valuable? |
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DeadpooI |
5. RE: Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from F
Jun 13 2009, 4:09 PM EDT
I don't know how much of this stuff was a director trying to cover his own ass or a well-earned rage against genuinely unfair treatment, but I found these articles about FOX and Mathieu Kassovitz/Xavier Gens to be... amusing.http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2008/aug/27/4?gusrc=rss&feed=film http://symbiote666.gametrailers.com/gamepad/index.php?action=viewblog&id=255302 Do you find this valuable? |
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lordpoee |
6. RE: Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from F
Jun 13 2009, 4:16 PM EDT
"I don't know how much of this stuff was a director trying to cover his own ass or a well-earned rage against genuinely unfair treatment, but I found these articles about FOX and Mathieu Kassovitz/Xavier Gens to be... amusing.Personally (And don't shoot me for this.) I liked Babylon AD, even though the story came off like Anime plot. Not sure where the director gets off saying its a "bad episode of 24" since I see no correlation between the two and I don't like 24. I am a big fan of the "Dystopian" genre, from Mad Max to Terminator. I didn't like "Doomsday", that movie was really reaching. "Children of Men" was also a great story. But hey if a director wants to rail against his own movie, I mean hell why not? Do you find this valuable? |
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reilly.b.reese |
7. RE: Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from Fox.
Jun 13 2009, 4:17 PM EDT
"First Firefly and now T:SCC. Any decent science-fiction series which has been shown on FOX comes an abrupt end.Amen to that. I don't think they even gave Firefly a chance from the very beginning. I mean they showed the opening episode (which introduced everyone and pretty much everything) as the last episode and jumbled the others around. Makes no sense. Do you find this valuable? |
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DeadpooI |
8. RE: Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from F
Jun 13 2009, 4:21 PM EDT
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"Personally (And don't shoot me for this.) I liked Babylon AD, even though the story came off like Anime plot. Not sure where the director gets off saying its a "bad episode of 24" since I see no correlation between the two and I don't like 24.I haven't even watched Babylon AD, so I wouldn't shoot you for saying what you did. But, even if the film won Oscars (hypothetically...), the director's complaints are pretty indicative of why producers and writers should stick with this clause of your original post: "Total Control. No big execs to tell you what you can and cannot do on your show." Though, I suspect FOX (or any major network) has little interest in signing up to a project if the makers expressly deny executive input. Do you find this valuable? |
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lordpoee |
9. RE: Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from F
Jun 13 2009, 4:38 PM EDT
I really wish more writers and producers would take advantage of internet technology and ad-supported viewing. An "iTunes" scenario where each episode would have to be purchased would be tragic but I could totally get behind a Hulu scenario, where each episode is streamed with intermittent 20 or 30 second advertisements. Though we will likely see more product placement but that has never really bothered me so long as the product fit the story.
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PyroDude |
10. RE: Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from F
Jun 13 2009, 4:43 PM EDT
"I really wish more writers and producers would take advantage of internet technology and ad-supported viewing. An "iTunes" scenario where each episode would have to be purchased would be tragic but I could totally get behind a Hulu scenario, where each episode is streamed with intermittent 20 or 30 second advertisements. Though we will likely see more product placement but that has never really bothered me so long as the product fit the story. "This raises an interesting point: People don't want to watch commercials. DVR and complaints that 30 second Hulu commercials are too long... so how do people who complain or refuse to watch any commercials want their shows to be financed? Four or five 30 second commercials in a one hour show on Hulu is peanuts compared to the 15 minutes of commercials. I personally don't mind commercials or product placement if done well. Smallville did it with Stride. And to be honest, I like that, product placement. It gives the show a link to pop culture and to reality. We can see the characters interacting and talking about real things. Like Chuck and Subway, Smallville and Stride, or TSCC and big expensive Ford trucks (lol). Do you find this valuable? |
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lordpoee |
11. RE: Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from F
Jun 13 2009, 4:50 PM EDT
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Well, 20 or 30 seconds has never bothered me. BUT commercials on regular networks have pretty much eaten up television. I have not watched "Regular" TV in almost six months, I pretty much watch Hulu and even non-network webisodes such as "The Guild" and "Dr. Horribles Sing Along Blog"FOX canceling T:SCC was just the nail in the coffin for me. Do you find this valuable? |
The1Russter |
12. RE: Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from F
Feb 14 2011, 10:46 AM EST
I think this thread raises some valid points. I think producers should look to the internet more for showing programming using technology like Hulu. Show it with ads, then sell it later on itunes. I think that would work well.When it comes product placement in a series, I'm fine with it when done well. However, I've noticed some very poorly or cheesily done product placements recently on TV. On Fringe they had a low camera angle for a vehicle coming in to park. It parked so that the car manufacturer logo was front and center and the camera held that angle for a few seconds while everyone got of the car, then it rose up to show them walking away. Big turn off on that episode. On Bones, you are constantly seeing the Microsoft logo on every computer screen. Another big turn off. And another one I've seen done a lot, is someone opening a notebook computer so the back is facing the camera so we can see the computer manufacture logo or name. Then the camera holds that pose while the person uses the computer so the whole time we see the logo or name. Do you find this valuable? |
t5000 |
13. RE: Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from F
Feb 14 2011, 11:25 AM EST
it would not pay enough $ right now, and you would have to have at least 10 million people watching a show to make enough $ off ads to pay for the show and have a profit.no hulu shows have 10 mil do they? even over course of a year? Do you find this valuable? |
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t5000 |
14. RE: Warning to producers of Science Fiction: Stay the hell away from F
Feb 14 2011, 5:38 PM EST
part of the problem to is streaming a show is not good unless you have a computer with fast speed, alot of memory, and fast Internet.I have 1.5 mb speed and it just isnt fast enough to stream a video without pausing, and if video is H it is real bad. Do you find this valuable? |
