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The1Russter |
It is a struggle writing part 2 & discussion of part 2
Jun 10 2009, 11:28 AM EDT
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I am having a difficult time trying to get things organized for Part 2 of Reunion, Armageddon. I know what I want, but its tough trying to get everything in and make it a compelling read. There are things I want to happen and there are things that need to happen and both need to be woven together effectively. There is the antagonist from part 1 that must be included, the war, the character relationships, and major plot twists and revelations, surprise character appearances, weave in the threads hanging from Part 1, and give a satisfying conclusion to Part 2 and the entire story that leaves just enough unanswered questions for a new story to be written. I know some of you don't like some of the stories for Season 2 of TSCC. But considering what I am going through in writing this story, for which I'm not even being paid, I'm just doing it for fun, you learn to be less critical of the shows writers. I mean really. I'm doing this on my own, without assistance. God bless those people who do this for a living, and who did it for TSCC. Some words of encouragement please. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?
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termi-ninja-tor |
1. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 10 2009, 12:00 PM EDT
Go for it. Pursue your passion, don't give up.The professional writers do it for a living. They do it full time and work as a team. You are going alone and presumably in your spare time. Kudos! Do you find this valuable? |
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Enigma6482 |
2. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 10 2009, 1:18 PM EDT
I noticed while writing my fan fic that I had a moment of "Oh so this is what it feels like to push the envelope". I think that is why you get some phenomenal stories like "Adam Raised Cain" and "Born to Run" and some okay episodes like "some must watch while some must sleep". This also explains why you can get break out stories like "The Matrix" and have absolute flops like "The Shadow". There's a definite technique to pushing the envelope to a point that is believable and intriguing for the reader/watcher but if you go just a little to far you jump the shark and at that point nobody believes it. I'm currently going through some of that with the current chapter I’m writing. I have a MAJOR plot twist coming up but I paced around for hours thinking about if I wanted to do it or not and if people would like it and if it would work in the story.We also have to contend with the issue that most of us that are writing fan fic’s are doing it alone. TSCC had what, like 6 writers or something? While some people may forget certain parts of the story or plot others may not and they can play off of each other. Doing it alone adds a whole new degree of challenge to things. Do you find this valuable? |
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Myrrdin |
3. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 10 2009, 1:21 PM EDT
You are even worse than me ;OHow about creating a SINGLE thread for your fanfiction Instead of 3? Do you find this valuable? |
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draconisz |
4. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 10 2009, 1:45 PM EDT
"I am having a difficult time trying to get things organized for Part 2 of Reunion, Armageddon. I know what I want, but its tough trying to get everything in and make it a compelling read. There are things I want to happen and there are things that need to happen and both need to be woven together effectively. There is the antagonist from part 1 that must be included, the war, the character relationships, and major plot twists and revelations, surprise character appearances, weave in the threads hanging from Part 1, and give a satisfying conclusion to Part 2 and the entire story that leaves just enough unanswered questions for a new story to be written.I would just say forge ahead. When I run into blocks. I just section off that particular part and forge right ahead into the things I want to write about. What I am in the process of doing now is going back and stitching stuff together. It seems easier rather than just getting to a point where you are stopped because you know the turn you are making isn't going to make sense later. Don't worry about that now. Come back after you basically written all of the important themes. Do you find this valuable? |
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The1Russter |
5. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 10 2009, 3:03 PM EDT
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"You are even worse than me ;OThe three become one and all goes to hell. It is Armageddon. Just finished Chapter 13. The first/second chapter of part 2. Thanks for your support. Just completed a nice action sequence ending in a tense suspenseful scene, that will make you scream for the next chapter. It's still a struggle but I'm getting there. Do you find this valuable? |
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The1Russter |
6. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 10 2009, 5:05 PM EDT
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"I noticed while writing my fan fic that I had a moment of "Oh so this is what it feels like to push the envelope". I think that is why you get some phenomenal stories like "Adam Raised Cain" and "Born to Run" and some okay episodes like "some must watch while some must sleep". This also explains why you can get break out stories like "The Matrix" and have absolute flops like "The Shadow". There's a definite technique to pushing the envelope to a point that is believable and intriguing for the reader/watcher but if you go just a little to far you jump the shark and at that point nobody believes it. I'm currently going through some of that with the current chapter I’m writing. I have a MAJOR plot twist coming up but I paced around for hours thinking about if I wanted to do it or not and if people would like it and if it would work in the story.Enigma6482, You are so right! I am so treading a thin line between believable fantasy and outright ludicrousness. I am building to a major personal climax for John midway through part 2, and a huge plot twist prior to the ending. Its the plot twist that has me pacing. Is it too much? (ie jumping the shark) or will it be one of those moments that make people go 'Ah Hah.' when they read it. Then comes the placement of the plot twist in the whole scheme. Then how many hints do I seed within the story. I think I'm going bald from all the hair pulling. :-) Do you find this valuable? |
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ChrisCoachKKincey |
7. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 10 2009, 6:08 PM EDT
I am a pretty good ghost writer, and have always been able to mimic dance moves and basketball stuff. I didn't even get inspired to write a TSCC based story until I saw the T4 movie and then read the prequel book, which I thought their format could work for TSCC. I suggest you read it, and use it for your story. It's very straightforward, and that's going to be my approach: do a lot of stuff and let the reader follow the characters as the action unfolds. 300 paperback pages and a fast read. Makes it a do-able project that you can get done. I am charting the characters and the plot: where they are at given times, and trying to stay aware of continuity, logic, and good Terminator "feel" to it. If its a Terminator story then its a controlled fall in my opinion, like a roller coaster ride that is sliding over a cliff. Give your reader that kind of consistent thrill (never let the become unaware that the whole thing is sliding) and I think you'll be fine. Sounds to me like you have your shit together but you just need to complie it. Keep describing to the reader what is happening in the moment of "now.'' Now is all that matters to the reader. Keep NOW exciting and you'll have a winner! Do you find this valuable? |
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thecrusadingknight |
8. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 10 2009, 6:09 PM EDT
I'm having difficulty with part 2 of my Season 3 fanfic. So much so, that I decided to go back and fix part 1, as the problems with this sotry seem to be foundational, and I don't think I'll be able to push further until I resolve this problem. But that's me. It's one of the reasons why I don't post my work until the whole thing is completed. Now as for the problems you are having, you never really know how the audience is going to respond until someone has actually read this. Perhaps try sending your work to a few people to see what they say first. Writing can be a daunting task. We can be overwhelmed by all these problems coming at us at once. Try handling one thing at a time. Write a draft of the story, read it over, then say "All right in this rewrite I'll try and handle this problem, leave the "hint" problem for the next draft." Don't know if I am helping at all, but just want you to know that I feel your pain. Do you find this valuable? |
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PyroDude |
9. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 10 2009, 6:29 PM EDT
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"Enigma6482, You are so right! I am so treading a thin line between believable fantasy and outright ludicrousness. I am building to a major personal climax for John midway through part 2, and a huge plot twist prior to the ending. Its the plot twist that has me pacing. Is it too much? (ie jumping the shark) or will it be one of those moments that make people go 'Ah Hah.' when they read it. Then comes the placement of the plot twist in the whole scheme. Then how many hints do I seed within the story. I think I'm going bald from all the hair pulling. :-) "Well, one of mine 'jumped the shark' or more accurately, got way too side tracked. So I just threw it out and rewrote it. Not a big deal. Personally there are times when plot twists are great and when they aren't. Sometimes, as boring as this sounds, things just are. Anyway... I'm almost done with a small story explaining a plot point in one of my other stories. That can also help with the 'creative juices' by letting you work on something else and then getting back to the big story. Do you find this valuable? |
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The1Russter |
10. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 10 2009, 6:38 PM EDT
"I'm having difficulty with part 2 of my Season 3 fanfic. So much so, that I decided to go back and fix part 1, as the problems with this story seem to be foundational, and I don't think I'll be able to push further until I resolve this problem. But that's me. It's one of the reasons why I don't post my work until the whole thing is completed.I write, rewrite, print, proofread, rewrite again. And sometime rewrite some more. It's never truly finished. Chapters I thought were done have had further editing performed. I have shared my work with others. I share scenes with AndyK, he got me writing the story in the first place. As far as whole chapters go, not yet. There are still somethings I want kept hidden until all can read. I understand your wanting to go back and fix part 1 of your story. That is why I waited until most of part 1 of my own story was written before I posted a single chapter, but i still had to go back and fix stuff. As writers, we may never be completely satisfied with our work, but sometimes you just have to wait to hear what the readers think. Sometimes our doubts are just doubts. Do you find this valuable? |
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thecrusadingknight |
11. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 10 2009, 8:43 PM EDT
"I write, rewrite, print, proofread, rewrite again. And sometime rewrite some more. It's never truly finished. Chapters I thought were done have had further editing performed. I have shared my work with others. I share scenes with AndyK, he got me writing the story in the first place. As far as whole chapters go, not yet. There are still somethings I want kept hidden until all can read.George Lucas said films are never finished, just abandoned. Holds true with what we write as well. Do you find this valuable? |
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The1Russter |
12. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 10 2009, 8:55 PM EDT
"George Lucas said films are never finished, just abandoned. Holds true with what we write as well."I remember that in one of the bonus videos on the Star Wars DVD's. I also once saw an accomplished author being interviewed on Charlie Rose, and he said (and I'm paraphrasing) that great works of fiction don't come from the writing, but from the rewriting. However, I'd like to add that at some point the artist has to step back from the easel and proclaim the work finished. I'm not above going back and rewriting sections and whole chapters, but at some point I've got to say enough, and let the readers decide if they like it. To everybody, Your words of advice and counsel have been helpful. I think I've finally found the voice and style for section2. It helped talking about it with all of you. I won't abandon this thread. Our exchange will be of help to all who apply themselves to writing. Do you find this valuable? |
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kencrum373 |
13. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 13 2009, 5:58 AM EDT
well I like the story so far. that is saying something as I am very opposed to Jallison. so you are doing a good Job. I really want see what happens because I am addicted to your plot. Also I just want a finished fanfic I've had several die on me in the middle. I would be almost as upset if yours ended like that as I am about the show. Also some unanswered questions are good but please no cliff hangers I can't take any more of those. I mean in the end you can have them in the chapters just please not at the end.
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The1Russter |
14. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 13 2009, 6:10 AM EDT
"well I like the story so far. that is saying something as I am very opposed to Jallison. so you are doing a good Job. I really want see what happens because I am addicted to your plot. Also I just want a finished fanfic I've had several die on me in the middle. I would be almost as upset if yours ended like that as I am about the show. Also some unanswered questions are good but please no cliff hangers I can't take any more of those. I mean in the end you can have them in the chapters just please not at the end."There are a few mid chapter and end of chapter cliffhangers of various strengths. The climax at the end of Part 1is a major cliffhanger for which you should love. I have every intention of finishing this story. I am working on part two right now. There won't be a cliffhanger at the very end of the story, but I am planing a major plot twist just before the end. I will give the story a finale, but hopefully with a few threads for a follow up. Do you find this valuable? |
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The1Russter |
15. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jun 24 2009, 9:54 AM EDT
I haven't finished it, but I've just written the conclusion to Reunion Part 2 Armageddon. It gives me something to aim for. When you people read it, I can just imagine what I am going to hear from some of you.I have also written the ending to the epilogue in Reunion Part 3 The Final Battle. Nothing like a major plot twist to end a story. I can't wait to hear what will be said about that either. Do you find this valuable? |
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The1Russter |
16. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jul 23 2009, 2:20 PM EDT
I have said previously that I would have new responsibilities beginning this summer. Well, I got a phone call the morning of July 22, 2009, and those new responsibilities will begin now. I am sorry to say that they will impact my ability to write my story and proofread those chapters I have completed. I promise that down the road, once I have more free time, that I will proofread those chapters that are complete. There are some changes that I want to make as well, but I do not have the time to make them now. While I am busy with my new responsibilities, I will use what little free time I have to complete the remaining chapters and make all necessary corrections at some future date. Please be patient with me during this time.
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ChuckFinley |
17. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jul 23 2009, 2:25 PM EDT
"I have said previously that I would have new responsibilities beginning this summer. Well, I got a phone call the morning of July 22, 2009, and those new responsibilities will begin now. I am sorry to say that they will impact my ability to write my story and proofread those chapters I have completed. I promise that down the road, once I have more free time, that I will proofread those chapters that are complete. There are some changes that I want to make as well, but I do not have the time to make them now. While I am busy with my new responsibilities, I will use what little free time I have to complete the remaining chapters and make all necessary corrections at some future date. Please be patient with me during this time."Go at your own pace. The pen works when the pen works. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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PuRiFiRe2027 |
18. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jul 24 2009, 5:32 AM EDT
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Keep it going at your own pace man this is the best story continuing season 3 of TSCC I stayed up all night reading everything you have written several times!!! . You are very talented and have put alot of time into this awesome piece of writing I hope you get it worked out. I CAN'T WAIT FOR ARMAGEDDON. I will read every new part a couple of times each. GOOD WORK I HOPE THEY START TSCC AGAIN FOR SEASON 3 AND GIVE YOU A CONTRACT AS A WRITER :) lols
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PuRiFiRe2027 |
19. RE: It is a struggle writing part 2
Jul 24 2009, 5:35 AM EDT
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"When will you be posting it?????????? I CAN'T WAIT :)))) Are you going to write the whole thing first then post all of the chapters?? Please give us something im addicted!!!!!! Do you find this valuable? |