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ChrisCoachKKincey |
Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 1:23 PM EDT
So the three dots represented the time machine in CW's basement.But how would JC send back a resistance fighter that would know this? The future CW and JC go to doesn't know who JC is! Even if JC did know, did he also send Cameron back for the use of her chip? Was that her mission. If so, shouldn't she just have went to Zeira Corp. in the first place, or did se not know where to go, but knew that in John's life the answer to this would be unraveled? But if that is the case did John of the future forget? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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kingsteve |
1. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 1:33 PM EDT
I don't think the resistance fighter who wrote on their wall knew what the 3 dots meant; he was just told to write it down, so he did. The 3 dots didn't represent the time machine, they represented John Henry. 3 dots on The Turk. I don't think he sent Cameron back for the use of her chip; but she seemed to know who John Henry was, and probably saw that he was vulnerable whilst immobile, and knew that he was valuable, so she gave him her chip. I think Cameron would have preferred to leave with John and disappear like Sarah wanted them to, until she got the "will you join us?" message. 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 1:47 PM EDT
Oh no, please no more three dots! I felt almost annoyed when they were mentioned in the final.I think, that the idea behind the writing was, that the bloody three dots have had no meaning. They were just finger prints of a dying man. No meaning there. But Sarah saw the three dots on the turk before. Therefore her subconscious build up something about them and lead her by pure luck to something. I very much hope, that if we get a third season, we will never get something like the 3 dots again. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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3. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 1:49 PM EDT
"I very much hope, that if we get a third season, we will never get something like the 3 dots again.Amen. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Fermi |
4. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 1:56 PM EDT
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kingsteve |
5. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 2:14 PM EDT
"I very much hope, that if we get a third season, we will never get something like the 3 dots again.Unless Jesse's still alive, then I wouldn't mind seeing 3 dots appear on her forehead ala Predator! lol 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ChrisCoachKKincey |
6. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 2:18 PM EDT
"I don't think the resistance fighter who wrote on their wall knew what the 3 dots meant; he was just told to write it down, so he did. The 3 dots didn't represent the time machine, they represented John Henry. 3 dots on The Turk.Wasn't the Turk turned into (at least part of) the time machine? I'm just trying to make sense of all of this. Have re-watched the last several eps and it still doesn't jive with me. Too many plot holes and continuity disfunction. Was this to leave it up to the viewer's interpretation, so they can add to it whatever they will? I believe this was a policy that TSCC used a lot, but this is one point that seems to stick out unresolved (not even ambiguous). Do you find this valuable? |
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termi-ninja-tor |
7. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 2:28 PM EDT
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"[insert the OP post here]"So the three dots represented the time machine in CW's basement. ...No. The three dots represented Turk 2, the black box, which was the core of John Henry's personality. But how would JC send back a resistance fighter that would know this? ...The bloody list was a list of Skynet's targets in the present time, people or things that Skynet had sent terminators back to kill, replace, or destroy. The resistance fighter may have gotten this list from a source that spied on Skynet, perhaps relayed through John Connor. You could just as easily have asked how John knew about Greenway or Dr. Sherman; the answer is the same. The future CW and JC go to doesn't know who JC is! ...It was a different time. I mentioned on another thread that an easy explanation would be that John joins the resistance and becomes its leader in 5 or 10 years, after which he sends back Kyle, Derek, and presumably the resistance fighter that writes the bloody list. Even if JC did know, did he also send Cameron back for the use of her chip? Was that her mission. ...No, Cameron's primary mission was to assist John Henry against Skynet, and this could involve giving her chip and traveling in time. With John Henry's help in the future, the resistance has a better chance to beat Skynet, so he is important. Cameron's secondary mission was to protect John. If so, shouldn't she just have went to Zeira Corp. in the first place, or did se not know where to go, but knew that in John's life the answer to this would be unraveled? But if that is the case did John of the future forget? ...Her information was sketchy. It took her more than 70 days to find John. She only knew John Henry would be in LA in 2007. Why? Maybe John forgot a lot after many years. Or, maybe John was deliberately sketchy because timeline changes could have made his memories inaccurate. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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termi-ninja-tor |
8. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 2:48 PM EDT
"Wasn't the Turk turned into (at least part of) the time machine?Josh Friedman is like Miles Davis. Miles of course was a great jazz musician, but one hallmark of his style was that he would skip notes, leaving the listener to fill in the missing note mentally. Josh's style cultivates ambiguity. He skips giving us some details. This raises questions and causes uncertainties. Some viewers find this to be more entertaining. (I first experienced this effect on TV with X Files.) Like Miles' work, it appeals to limited audiences. Also like Miles' work, the pattern takes odd twists and turns, making it hard to predict and confounding listeners who are prone to extrapolating conclusions from what has been played so far. Notably, most music follows patterns that are pleasing and fairly predictable, often repetitious. Sometimes the music will deviate from the pattern, dischordantly, but ultimately return to the original melody, which is picked up with gratifying satisfaction for most listeners. But Miles' music often wandered afield and stayed dischordant, frequently atonal, and was more theoretical or abstract. Listeners who preferred predictable, repeating melody patterns did not like his work. Whether you like Josh's style becomes a matter of taste. I agree with those who question whether this style best serves the TSCC franchise. It was more appropriate with X Files. TSCC might have been better served with a more straightforward exposition. 7 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ChrisCoachKKincey |
9. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 2:52 PM EDT
Very good points. I've been ranting about the ranter's being right about the plot progression of the show being better that it just occurred to me that John Henry and Cameron could well be the one's behind the metal resistance to Skynet in the future. Cam may well be a planned paradox, like Kyle Reese for John Conners.Too bad the guy with all the answers took one in the chest before he could bebrief SC and co. He prolly knew much more than Derek and Jesse. Could have informed them of metal resistance (but wouldn't Cam have known this AND told SC and JC?) and their role in the future, as well as there is an anti-metal resistance faction here fighting the metal fighters of Skynet? We need a "Hitchhiker's Gude to Terminator Time Travel." Do you find this valuable? |
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Schmacky |
10. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 3:02 PM EDT
I don't think the 3 dots represented the time machine. It represented the Turk.. John Henry. He needed protecting, like everything else on the list.
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11. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 3:04 PM EDT
... and the three dots were also hinted at in "Self Made Man", because termies use the relative position of 3 stars to find out which date it is.
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tk1000 |
12. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 3:18 PM EDT
"So the three dots represented the time machine in CW's basement.I just had a flash of insight...or perhaps its just heatstoke after mowing my mom's lawn.......but the "three dots" is really the third season!!!! Its the writers message to the fans "save the third season"!!! Do what you can, send emails, preorder the 2nd DVD, whatever you can! :) 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ChrisCoachKKincey |
13. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 4:37 PM EDT
"I just had a flash of insight...or perhaps its just heatstoke after mowing my mom's lawn.......but the "three dots" is really the third season!!!! Its the writers message to the fans "save the third season"!!! Do what you can, send emails, preorder the 2nd DVD, whatever you can!Mybe you saw three dots in the bags of leaves you collected...good point nonetheless! Do you find this valuable? |
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ChrisCoachKKincey |
14. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 4:39 PM EDT
"I don't think the 3 dots represented the time machine. It represented the Turk.. John Henry. He needed protecting, like everything else on the list."so...do you think all of the things on the wall needed protecting? Serano Point, Dr. Sherman, etc.? I never saw that as a theme, but then, I was so busy ranting I noticed now I (obviously) missed a lot. But if new viewers have to do this much research isn't it gonna be hard to get and keep them? Do you find this valuable? |
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termi-ninja-tor |
15. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 5:05 PM EDT
"so...do you think all of the things on the wall needed protecting? Serano Point, Dr. Sherman, etc.?So Coach K, what did you think the things written on the wall were supposed to be? Do you find this valuable? |
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ChrisCoachKKincey |
16. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 5:13 PM EDT
"Josh Friedman is like Miles Davis. Miles of course was a great jazz musician, but one hallmark of his style was that he would skip notes, leaving the listener to fill in the missing note mentally.I agree. TSCC would have been better served with a more straightforword approach - especially since the other incaranations of Terminator gave no example of doing jazz impov... Also, I personally found the amount of detail frustrating, when on the other side the actual plot NEVER moved forward! I also think it is very hard to get and keep a viewing audience if they have to dig so deep into a series and re-watch everything multiple times to understand it. We here are most very smart and talented and WE couldn't figure out 1. What was going on 2. What the characters were doing 3. Why they were doing it. Even though we enjoyed the show, I see this as a major flaw in the strategy for production. So much so it was hard to identify ANY Terminator in the show at times - very hard to recognize from what we'd known before. Do you find this valuable? |
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ChrisCoachKKincey |
17. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 5:17 PM EDT
"So Coach K, what did you think the things written on the wall were supposed to be?"You know, I really don't know. I kinda thought - my bad for assuming this - that they'd be revealed in the plot; sent, and set up as a premise for more action and adventure. I kinda innocently trusted that JF would give us some action out of it. We got the good nuclear plant ep and the cool fight with pretzel girl. Dr. Sherman dying was a waste. And we never found out why his name was valuable. Do you find this valuable? |
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intrepid |
18. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 5:19 PM EDT
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Please, no more three dots.I don't want to hear about them ever again, I don't want talk about them, and I certainly don't want any more threads created to tease with my sanity! They were the worst plot device in the history of plot devices, and every episode that had them in it or mentioned them, suffered from the stupidly of it's creation. Even the resolution to the three dots mystery (Arggg) was nonsensical, stupid and a total let down, with the only bright spot being that it was like a 3 second mention and “poof” over. Please I beg you, let this subject die! This plea was brought to you by 3 dot-itis foundation, for TV script writers who suffer this debilitating disease. Suffers are known to have delusions that they are William Shakespeare and can often be heard yelling, “Out damn spot!” If you know of anyone displaying this symptom, do not approach them or mention that “Scottish play,” call your local heath professional or psychiatrist immediately. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ChrisCoachKKincey |
19. RE: Anyone want to discuss the three dot paradox? Things still bug me!
Apr 26 2009, 6:08 PM EDT
"Please, no more three dots.Make the call so you'll know who the REAL crazy people are? For your suffering just hit the "back" button, and start a thread about something YOU like... Do you find this valuable? |