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Lord_Raken |
John's current age
Apr 12 2009, 10:11 PM EDT
Ok, John was 15 when they jumped to 2007 and had hi 16th birthday at the end of season one. The marker over Derek's grave read 2009. So John would be about 17 or even 18... unless they just jumped us forward so that the show stays current.What do you think? I think John is acting more like an 18 year old rather than a 16 year old. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?
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ShelterWolf |
1. RE: John's current age
Apr 12 2009, 10:18 PM EDT
John is a very mature 16. The last cop who spoke with Sarah in that jail cell said he is 16 and that Sarah is 35. This means the TSCC universe is/was in 2007. (S3 maybe based in 2027) The 2009 grave marker was just a generic grave marker that had further implications, but it was not meant to indicate the year Derek was buried.
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HawkDsl |
2. RE: John's current age
Apr 12 2009, 10:23 PM EDT
"John is a very mature 16. The last cop who spoke with Sarah in that jail cell said he is 16 and that Sarah is 35. This means the TSCC universe is/was in 2007. (S3 maybe based in 2027) The 2009 grave marker was just a generic grave marker that had further implications, but it was not meant to indicate the year Derek was buried."After my death, I've instructed my family to put this on my tombstone: 1975 to 1827 Just to F'k with people. Do you find this valuable? |
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ShelterWolf |
3. RE: John's current age
Apr 12 2009, 10:34 PM EDT
"After my death, I've instructed my family to put this on my tombstone:If you got an 1827 tombstone, It would look like this: http://www.aadl.org/gallery/aafounders/rumsey+1_mod_bw.jpg.html Do you find this valuable? |
santose2008 |
4. RE: John's current age
Apr 12 2009, 10:35 PM EDT
"After my death, I've instructed my family to put this on my tombstone:LOL. Can you do that? I would do it because I'm an idiot and would love the humor when people visit my grave instead of beginning sad of my death. Do you find this valuable? |
Will217 |
5. RE: John's current age
Apr 12 2009, 10:58 PM EDT
John turned 16 during Samson and Delilah. A whole year hasn't passed from that episode to "Born to Run" so he's close to turning 17. Alison was still in the womb in 2009 (last we saw). She might have been born by now but that's negligible. I bring her up because if we guess that Alison's age in the future is about 16/17 then we know how far into the future CW took John. 2009 + 17 = 2026 - One year prior to everything that started it all (i.e. John sends back Kyle). OT- My guess is that John will spend under a year in the future getting to know Kyle and Alison and discovering exactly how important he is to the future because he will be living in one that occurred w/o him. After a year, when he's given up hope of returning home and accepted his life post JDay, CW & JH show up to take him back. He's faced with a decision: a) Return to 2009 (with Cam's chip) and fulfill his destiny while leaving Alison, Kyle and Derek behind or b) Stay where he is as just another anonymous soldier w/o the burden of being "John Connor." He goes back of course, but no more teen angst. He's lived a year through the war he's trying to prevent. We all wanted a more assertive, mature John Connor. Season 3 will complete the transformation. Maybe it's Alison's death that solidifies it for him that he has to go back. I say that only because she dies in the original timeline when she's used as Cameron's template. She won't be needed for that in this timeline, but some things are inevitable (like JDay) so I think she dies regardless. It would make sense why Future John would be so close to Cameron in the future - she reminded him of his year with Alison. Sending her back ensured he'd get that experience. We all wonder about Cam's true mission - whether Future John really sent her or if she manipulated her jump to 1999. Anyone ever thought that Future John had his own ulterior motives? 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Will217 |
6. RE: John's current age
Apr 12 2009, 11:02 PM EDT
Apologies to all for straying off the topic, but I can't get passed the Finale and especially NOT knowing whether or not there will be a S3. I guess I'm trying to convince myself that it'll happen. That was a weird finale IMO. It had elements of "that's all folks!" written (pun intended) all over it, like Sarah's "goodbye" and even the appearance of Kyle (whom the writers were supposedly never going to bring back.)I'm grasping at straws here people. Please bear with me. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Lord_Raken |
7. RE: John's current age
Apr 12 2009, 11:25 PM EDT
we know at least 9 (or was it 6?) months have passed because of Alpine Fields and I think its fare to say that several more moths have passed. I would not be surprised if John has had his 17th birthday already.@will217 interesting Ideas. Do you find this valuable? |
playfulprofessor |
8. RE: John's current age
Apr 13 2009, 12:03 AM EDT
Will217 - that whole set of scenarios would be great for S3 and the franchise.To your last point, the decisions made by future JC is the big white elephant of the terminator plotline whether it be the films and TSCC - who he sends back, how the resistance operates/allies itself with etc. We have never really had a cut scene or 'device' that allows us greater insight into the plans of FJC other than how everyone else responds to his decisions. He sent cameron (who was involved/knew of with negotiations with the rebel terminator faction) and derek (a known family member) back directly or indirectly to the same point in time (2007). What is really interesting is that chess tournament lost by the Goode's turk (S1) seems to be a critical point which diverts it use away early as national security resource to a fully developing 'entity' . Did FJC via cameron or skynet know this? Is this the info cam refuses to tell young JC and a major reason why shewas sent back? Do you find this valuable? |
TooBoku |
9. RE: John's current age
Apr 13 2009, 12:16 AM EDT
If they jumped to 2025... John would actually be 41 years old.Biologically he`d be about 18. Do you find this valuable? |
spear401 |
10. RE: John's current age
Apr 13 2009, 12:21 AM EDT
"John turned 16 during Samson and Delilah. A whole year hasn't passed from that episode to "Born to Run" so he's close to turning 17. Alison was still in the womb in 2009 (last we saw). She might have been born by now but that's negligible. I bring her up because if we guess that Alison's age in the future is about 16/17 then we know how far into the future CW took John. 2009 + 17 = 2026 - One year prior to everything that started it all (i.e. John sends back Kyle).Exactly. Do you find this valuable? |
ScotWithOne_t |
11. RE: John's current age
Apr 13 2009, 12:36 AM EDT
"John is a very mature 16. The last cop who spoke with Sarah in that jail cell said he is 16 and that Sarah is 35. This means the TSCC universe is/was in 2007. (S3 maybe based in 2027) The 2009 grave marker was just a generic grave marker that had further implications, but it was not meant to indicate the year Derek was buried."I don't think you can ignore the grave, or the phone code they were using when they said 2008. I think they are trying to sneak in some time lapse in the show so that they can have John look older, but they're being ambiguous about the exact date. He's 17 or 18 now. Do you find this valuable? |
Talon_Svarog |
12. RE: John's current age
Apr 13 2009, 1:11 AM EDT
Seems to me that the marker itself was a mistake. All the markers around where Kyle Reese was buried said 1984, yet in TSCC John was born in November 1983, meaning Kyle had to have died in January-March 1983 (allowing for premature/late delivery). So it appears that they have mistakenly jumped everything forward a year, putting John as either late 16 or early 17 at the moment.
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I.Join |
13. RE: John's current age
Oct 31 2010, 7:31 PM EDT
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Just to always be the one who re-opens abandoned 3Ds...1. We should ignore some dates from the show. In s02e02 we first met Kacy, and she's pregnant. In that day John says by phone it's 16/11/2007... Then, in AfP (s02e04) we see a baby born in 10-02-09 (the image stops on it, so they wanted us to read!)... and Kacy is still pregnant... Now, if you read that date as 12/Feb/2009, as 2/Oct/2009 or as 09/Feb/2010... Kacy should have been an elephant!!! This means some dates, at least IN IMAGES, are wrong! 2. We should also ignore John's birth date on the police terminal on T2, because that's only the date the police knows... At the end of T1, Sarah wasn't longer in USA, so that date can be inaccurate. However, by that image, we know Cyberdyne have been blasted between 28/02/1995 to 27/02/1996 (the police system says John is 10), and not in 1997 like John Henry says... 3. We should consider the date the policeman told Kyle in T1: 12th May, Thursday ... So it means it was 1983 or 1988, not 1984!!! (I would exclude 1988!) Since Sarah is convinced Kyle is John's father, he should be born in February 1984. Even if Sarah was already pregnant, she should have been by not more than 3 weeks to not know she was... Do you find this valuable? |
termi-ninja-tor |
14. RE: John's current age
Oct 31 2010, 9:09 PM EDT
So far as timeline work goes, you might find this page amusing if not helpful:http://www.sarahconnorfans.com/page/TimeIine+for+the+Terminator+1%2C+2+and+The+TSCC Do you find this valuable? |
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I.Join |
15. RE: John's current age
Oct 31 2010, 11:12 PM EDT
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"So far as timeline work goes, you might find this page amusing if not helpful:Thank you very much, very interesting! However, I was not talking about timelines. I was only saying: think before to consider a date as valid. More, all timelines in the link refers to 5-12-1984... I think it was 5-12-1983, cause it was Thursday... Simply compare 1983 to 1984 (Wikipedia). However, as I wrote, maybe the policeman was confused cause a gun on his face... Where did you deduced it was 1984 from? Do you find this valuable? |
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termi-ninja-tor |
16. RE: John's current age
Oct 31 2010, 11:22 PM EDT
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"Thank you very much, very interesting!I agree we should not trust their dates. People make a lot of mistakes. I have not assumed it was 1984. The work on the timelines page is not mine. Perhaps the author assumed it was 1984 because that was when the movie was released. Do you find this valuable? |
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I.Join |
17. RE: John's current age
Oct 31 2010, 11:29 PM EDT
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Many have assumed it was 1984... I was asking if I missed something...Do you find this valuable? |
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termi-ninja-tor |
18. RE: John's current age
Oct 31 2010, 11:45 PM EDT
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If Sarah got knocked up in May 1984, then she would be showing like she was on the drive south in Mexico by October 1984, when the movie was released. So the audience would assume the end of the movie was the current time. That would put the birth in February 1985.But there may be other citations that I am not aware of. TSCC puts John still at 15 years old before the bank vault time jump which originated in September 1999. That would put the birth in February 1984. If so, the policeman would be correct with Thursday, May 12, 1983. Personally, I have no opinion on John's birth date. Do you find this valuable? |
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tscchope |
19. RE: John's current age
Nov 10 2010, 3:23 PM EST
T2 established John's dob as 28 Feb 1985T3 established John's death as 4 July 2032 T:SCC pilot sent John forward from a date in Sept 1999 to an equivalent date in Sept 2008: thus for dates post that Sept 1999 date John is physically 9 years younger than the chronological date would suggest. As S2 ended John is in fact approaching his 16th birthday. Do you find this valuable? |
