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SilentHer0	Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 29 2008, 9:42 PM EDT It's September 29th 2008 the first airing of the episode, "Season 2 - Episode 4 Alison from Palmdale". The episode introduces Cameron's hidden past when she has flashbacks. Cameron's human template is revealed to be a girl named "Alison Young" who is in the league with the future resistance, in a secret group chosen by John Connor. Alison's relationship to John Connor is unknown but obviously she had to be significant for her to be chosen by him. Alison Young speaks many details of her life, her father being an architect who taught her how to draw. Her mother was a musician and she had a little sister. What are your thoughts on her character? Will she make an appearance in the show again? Or is she dead for good? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: Alison Cameron Discussion Episode 4 Flashback Future John Connor Palmdale Relationship Resistance Season 2 Terminator Thread Young
SilentHer0	1. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 29 2008, 9:44 PM EDT "It's September 29th 2008 the first airing of the episode, "Season 2 - Episode 4 Alison from Palmdale". The episode introduces Cameron's hidden past when she has flashbacks. Cameron's human template is revealed to be a girl named "Alison Young" who is in the league with the future resistance, in a secret group chosen by John Connor. Alison's relationship to John Connor is unknown but obviously she had to be significant for her to be chosen by him. Alison Young speaks many details of her life, her father being an architect who taught her how to draw. Her mother was a musician and she had a little sister. What are your thoughts on her character? Will she make an appearance in the show again? Or is she dead for good?" Apologies, just to address any confusion, this is a CHARACTER DISCUSSION, not the episode discussion. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
mg.mikael	2. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 29 2008, 9:48 PM EDT "It's September 29th 2008 the first airing of the episode, "Season 2 - Episode 4 Alison from Palmdale". The episode introduces Cameron's hidden past when she has flashbacks. Cameron's human template is revealed to be a girl named "Alison Young" who is in the league with the future resistance, in a secret group chosen by John Connor. Alison's relationship to John Connor is unknown but obviously she had to be significant for her to be chosen by him. Alison Young speaks many details of her life, her father being an architect who taught her how to draw. Her mother was a musician and she had a little sister. What are your thoughts on her character? Will she make an appearance in the show again? Or is she dead for good?" Alison's storyline isn't over, at least I don't think so. Because they can still explore Alison before she was captured by Skynet. In ored to explian the bracelet's and etc. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Silentnarcotic	3. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 29 2008, 11:12 PM EDT Exactly, what her importance was to the resistance and to John. The thing I'm still trying to wrap my head around now... T2 - Arnold says "Now I know why you cry, but it's something I can never do" Now I want to know what model Cameron is because it may be something major if she isn't even aware that she has the ability to cry, because obviously the T800 series cannot. Putting aside the fact we all know she's more advanced, however does she know how far her abilities can go? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
johnizzle	4. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 29 2008, 11:54 PM EDT all i can say is: poor alison...girl was scared out of her gord! also, pretty wild that cameron was actually being human, wasnt it? Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Victisomega	5. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 30 2008, 1:11 AM EDT I don't think she's dead at all. Soo tired...... will elaborate on it later. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
jesterhawk	6. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Nov 11 2008, 9:03 AM EST Ok, so here is my question about Alison. If she was not born just yet, that would make her about 3 when judgement day comes. How much would she really remember about her parents? Could her father have really taught her how to draw? In other words, we know she lied about the bracelet coming from her sister, how much of the rest of what she said was the truth? In fact, we don't even know if Alison is her real name. We only presume that because there at least is a real (or will be a real) Alison in the future. Just some thoughts. I do hope that this is not the end of that story line so we can find out what happened to her and how Cameron infiltrated the John Connor camp, but was found out and then reprogrammed. Good stuff. JH Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TackDriver1956	7. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 8 2010, 8:19 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 8:19 AM EDT "Ok, so here is my question about Alison. If she was not born just yet, that would make her about 3 when judgement day comes. How much would she really remember about her parents? Could her father have really taught her how to draw? In other words, we know she lied about the bracelet coming from her sister, how much of the rest of what she said was the truth? In fact, we don't even know if Alison is her real name. We only presume that because there at least is a real (or will be a real) Alison in the future. Just some thoughts. I do hope that this is not the end of that story line so we can find out what happened to her and how Cameron infiltrated the John Connor camp, but was found out and then reprogrammed. Good stuff. JH" I just rewatched the episode. Has anyone else rewatched it since watching Born to Run, and wondered about whether the Terminator (Cameron-to-be = Cam2B) could have been John Henry's creation, an attempt to get Cameron's program to run on an undamaged terminator chip, in a fresh-built chassis? Remember how Matt Murch was worried about changing even one fan wire on John Henry's server farm? The hardware was designed to kill. The firmware was designed to kill. Could new hardware make her dangerous again? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tscc1000	8. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 8 2010, 8:41 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 8:41 AM EDT "I just rewatched the episode. Has anyone else rewatched it since watching Born to Run, and wondered about whether the Terminator (Cameron-to-be = Cam2B) could have been John Henry's creation, an attempt to get Cameron's program to run on an undamaged terminator chip, in a fresh-built chassis? Remember how Matt Murch was worried about changing even one fan wire on John Henry's server farm? The hardware was designed to kill. The firmware was designed to kill. Could new hardware make her dangerous again?" I don't think so. Imho Matt Murch's worries about even changing a fan wire were invented for dramaturgic reasons only. Of course if you change a fan wire of a computer, it's not exactly the same computer anymore, but there will be no differences in the functionality at all. So evilness is not imprinted in the T hardware, it's the software which makes the difference imho. So getting a fresh-built chassis for Cameron's chip would be a good idea, but wouldn't change the "glitchy" behaviour as long as nothing were changed on the chip. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TackDriver1956	9. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 8 2010, 1:02 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 1:02 PM EDT "I don't think so. Imho Matt Murch's worries about even changing a fan wire were invented for dramaturgic reasons only. Of course if you change a fan wire of a computer, it's not exactly the same computer anymore, but there will be no differences in the functionality at all. So evilness is not imprinted in the T hardware, it's the software which makes the difference imho. So getting a fresh-built chassis for Cameron's chip would be a good idea, but wouldn't change the "glitchy" behaviour as long as nothing were changed on the chip." That's mostly what I was thinking. It's ridiculous for changing a fan wire to change John Henry, and I wouldn't expect Cameron to change by installing her same chip in a new chassis. What I think might be worth exploring, is the assumption that Cameron's software and John Henry's software may have be running on Cameron's damaged chip together, and there may have been changes as a result. Also, even on our desktop computers, we have several layers of programming: the BIOS firmware, the OS (operating system), device drivers, and finally, application software. I was thinking of Cameron's personality as running at the application level. Moving that code to a fresh terminator chip, with undamaged firmware and operating system, might have the potential to change her behavior. Beyond that, the fact that "she" and John Henry were intimate on the same chip, and the process of separating the two of them, has potential to be explored, too. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
45longslide	10. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 8 2010, 2:36 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 3:12 PM EDT "That's mostly what I was thinking. It's ridiculous for changing a fan wire to change John Henry, and I wouldn't expect Cameron to change by installing her same chip in a new chassis. What I think might be worth exploring, is the assumption that Cameron's software and John Henry's software may have be running on Cameron's damaged chip together, and there may have been changes as a result. Also, even on our desktop computers, we have several layers of programming: the BIOS firmware, the OS (operating system), device drivers, and finally, application software. I was thinking of Cameron's personality as running at the application level. Moving that code to a fresh terminator chip, with undamaged firmware and operating system, might have the potential to change her behavior. Beyond that, the fact that "she" and John Henry were intimate on the same chip, and the process of separating the two of them, has potential to be explored, too." Yeah, I don't have that much experience with non pc operating systems but I would imagine that the settings and experiences which have been recorded in Cameron's memory should be at the application level, an artifical intelligence application with access to recorded information, databases, a visual basic like programable module for self repair and to access different hardware like we saw Terminator Vick do to John's laptop and phone and Cameron do to the Artie network, plus more stuff that I'm sure I've overlooked, lol. For John Henery, I think the act of changing a fan wire could result in momentary over heating of one particular (remote) circuit board. So the reaction Matt Murch witnessed and described would for John Henry seem to feel like a headache. For Mr. Murch it would seem like a limited time but since John Henry's memory processes so quickly it would have seemed much longer. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tscc1000	11. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 8 2010, 2:45 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 2:45 PM EDT "... Beyond that, the fact that "she" and John Henry were intimate on the same chip, and the process of separating the two of them, has potential to be explored, too." Hm, I would see two possibilities. Either John Henry was just backupped as an image file on Cameron's chip and Cameron was in full (and only) control of John Henry's chassis. The other way round I would have a problem to imagine John Henry, the supposed complex equivalent AI to Skynet, running on a "simple" Terminator chip. The task for Cameron then would be to rescue John Henry and find him another hardware basis (maybe in the future?). Or John Henry was "installed" in some kind of virtual machine (probably with for virtual machines typical limited functionality) additionally to a full backup image file. So they even could communicate, though the host personality would still be in charge. A later seperation would be no problem in both solutions. "Just" find a server farm for John Henry and a chassis for Cameron. ;-) BTW, I think a mixture of the two "personalities" should strictly be avoided, because this would get too weird imho. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
termi-ninja-tor	12. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 8 2010, 9:54 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 9:57 PM EDT "That's mostly what I was thinking. It's ridiculous for changing a fan wire to change John Henry . . ." Yah, that definitely seemed like bad science to me, not that I am an electronics expert. lol The closest phenomenon to this in real life is cable dependency in high end audio. High fidelity cabling has been found to affect the sound in high end audio systems, both for interconnect cables between components as well as for speaker cable. It appears that this is due to inductance differences in the various cable designs. High end audio cable designers play with different materials and configurations to "tune" their cables to achieve a boutique "sound" or to claim they are completely neutral. And they get expensive. But a fan wire should have no effect, especially since it isn't even in the signal path. Aside from the temporary temperature effect that 45longslide mentioned, I can only think that the old fan wire was somehow faulty such that the fan was not functioning properly. I mean, why else would you need to replace a fan wire, right? So with the new wire, the fan should be cooling its components as intended, and the different temperature in the signal carrying circuitry might result in some observable change in John Henry. But that's kind of stretching it. And if that were in fact the basis for Murch's comments, then there should be no problem relocating John Henry's hardware in a move such as what Weaver term inquired about. All they need to do is make sure the equipment is working as it is supposed to, including the temperature control. Come to think of it, John Henry has been portrayed as caring about proper temperature control. First, temperature control was what caused Dr. Sherman's death. Second, in an earlier episode, Murch and Ellison were shown walking around in a computer room wearing heavy coats because the temperature was kept low. Hmm Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TackDriver1956	13. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 9 2010, 8:36 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 9 2010, 8:36 AM EDT Also, headphone cable length and routing affects reception in personal FM radios, because the designers got clever and use the headphone cable as an antenna, the performance of which changes with length and relation to the wearer's body parts. But you're right, a functioning fan might make a performance difference to John Henry. What's been bugging me about the whole "Cameron's Chip" issue, is that the code running in the Turk and the server farm would unlikely be native to Cameron's CPU. Does it make more sense for John Henry to analyze Cameron's CPU instruction set, and re-code his own processes to run on her CPU, (and just hope it all works correctly the first time), or to ZIP / archive his instructions and state information to a compressed file, and let Cameron's program and chip run the chassis during the escape, and port John Henry to the new hardware at her leisure? That suggests that Cameron's program and chip remain married, unaltered, and John Henry was only "cargo". It just seemed to me, watching AFP after watching BTR, that Cam-to-be telling Allison Young 'some of us don't want Skynet to kill all the humans' had more of a ring of truth to it. And I was wondering if it really could have been 'our' later Cameron program, post BTR, that killed Allison Young. I want to say, no, that was a Skynet infiltrator, but... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
termi-ninja-tor	14. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 9 2010, 12:29 PM EDT "What's been bugging me about the whole "Cameron's Chip" issue, is that the code running in the Turk and the server farm would unlikely be native to Cameron's CPU. . . . It just seemed to me, watching AFP after watching BTR, that Cam-to-be telling Allison Young 'some of us don't want Skynet to kill all the humans' had more of a ring of truth to it. And I was wondering if it really could have been 'our' later Cameron program, post BTR, that killed Allison Young. " Remember John Henry said Kaliba AI is his brother because of base code similarities. John Henry was developed from Turk 2 which was apparently designed with the help of Miles Dyson's code work, as it seems was Kaliba AI also. Also, John Henry has had plenty of time to learn about Cromartie's body and how to operate it. And remember Cromartie and Cameron came from the same future, when Skynet was developed from the first Turk, which by the way was also created using Miles Dyson's code work. If John Henry could control Cromartie's body easily, then he could probably just plug and play Cameron's body. That makes it harder to figure out who is running the Cromartie body after the joining. I always thought the Cameron who killed Allison was an early Cameron who was created by her Skynet but had no flesh. She decided to join the Third Faction, as she told Allison. After killing Allison, she tried to infiltrate Resistance HQ and got caught and reprogrammed to be another reprogrammed Resistance terminator, like Queeg, etc. Her assignment was to support future John until he sent her back to protect young John. At the end of BtR, we are led to believe that Cameron and John Henry are in Cam's chip in Cromartie's body in the future. A lot has to happen for her to end up being the terminator who kills Allison. How would she get into that endo with her chip? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TackDriver1956	15. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 9 2010, 1:10 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 9 2010, 1:10 PM EDT "(snip) A lot has to happen for her to end up being the terminator who kills Allison. How would she get into that endo with her chip?" That's the easy part: Cam/Henry pwns a Skynet node with enough bandwidth to support both of them, cuts the Skynet connection, hooks up to the connector on the JH head, downloads the contents. Then they need to hijack another endo, and download Cameron to the new chip. Cam's old chip can stay in the Cromartie chassis if any hardware hookups are required. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
termi-ninja-tor	16. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Sep 9 2010, 2:00 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 9 2010, 2:00 PM EDT "That's the easy part: Cam/Henry pwns a Skynet node with enough bandwidth to support both of them, cuts the Skynet connection, hooks up to the connector on the JH head, downloads the contents. Then they need to hijack another endo, and download Cameron to the new chip. Cam's old chip can stay in the Cromartie chassis if any hardware hookups are required." Oh, I forgot to point out that Cameron already has memories of killing Allison. All that we saw in Allison from Palmdale has already happened with our Cam as the Cam of the memories. I wouldn't think she would feel the need to repeat it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
meanoldmoe	17. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Oct 11 2010, 9:25 AM EDT In BTR...we see Allison at the end. This is an Alternate universe Allison.....but she still is Allison. So IMO...Allison would have become more major in S3. Also...IMO...Allison was of some importance to John and the resistance....why else would she have the bracelet / pass?? Why would Skynet be so bent on matching Allison perfectly? Maybe S3 would have show us more about Allison and the nwe could have realized why she was copied. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
termi-ninja-tor	18. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Oct 11 2010, 9:45 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 11 2010, 9:46 AM EDT Yes, Allison would definitely have had a significant presence in Season 3. i think somebody, maybe Dekker, even mentioned that during an interview. So far as the bracelet goes, I thought everyone at the HQ base had a bracelet, as another way to screen out terminators. Cameron had to match Allison because she wanted to infiltrate Resistance HQ to get to John. She was supposed to pretend to be Allison. If she were a bad copy, it would jeopardize her mission. But why Allison and not somebody else? We don't know. All we know was that Allison had access to HQ and could get in and out. Maybe she was John's girlfriend or wife. Or maybe she was just another Resistance fighter who was stationed at HQ, and she just happened to have the bad luck to get caught by Cameron's team. We are not told. The only clue was that Cam mentions to Allison during her interrogation that John had chosen Allison for something unspecified. Also remember, as you point out, the Allison we see in BtR is in an alternate universe, or I would call it a new time loop. Whatever. In this new future, a lot of things are different from the future that Cameron came from. For example, John is not the leader of the Resistance (at least not yet). Skynet appears to have been developed from the Kaliba AI, not the first Turk as in Cam's future. And the LMT (Weaver) seems likely to be helping the Resistance against Skynet, rather than answering "No" to John Connor's invitation "Will you join us?" as delivered to Cam in Cam's future. So it is not clear if Allison's role in this new future will be in any way parallel to what happened with her before. She may be less important just as John seems to be less important. They may not be wearing bracelets any more. And hopefully, Allison will not be killed again to skin a new Cam, especially since no one cares about getting to John Connor now. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
meanoldmoe	19. RE: Official Alison Young from Palmdale Discussion Thread Oct 12 2010, 8:33 AM EDT I think once Skynet finds out that JC is alive...it will ramp up its resources to kill JC. I can see young JC falling for Allison...she is after all what Cameron is based on. If Skynet catches wind of JC and AY becoming an item...there is its way to get close to John and kill him. Capture Allison in the new timeline, copy her and terminate her. Send the copy in to infiltrate and then kill John. Skynet most likely knew of how dangerous JC was to its survival before he disappeared...so if he has come back or suddanly appeared, it will renew its efforts to kill him and nayone it feels is a high levelthreat Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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