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chillin2damnhard
Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 12:28 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 12:28 AM EDT
The first two episodes of season two seem to confirm what I’ve been thinking all along, that terminators given enough exposure to humans develop love and other human emotions. Most people made the point that she overrides her original programming without johns help and decides not to kill him, and then some people point out that she was afraid of death and realized they (john and sarah) were in a position to destroy her the moment she made a move. But even if that is true, that she stopped herself from destroying him so they wouldn’t kill her, that still shows human emotion because no terminator was ever afraid of dying even if they were about to fail their mission! Arnold (T101) didn’t beg for its life, Robert Patrick (T1000) didn’t beg for his, Kristana Loken (TX) didn’t beg for its life. And while one can argue she was programmed to do that, keep in mind she is a lower level Terminator than some of the above mentioned so that can’t be true. If TX wasn’t programmed to beg for her life, odds are neither is Cameron. Then we have other evidence abound that not too many bring up. Cameron has an actual ATTITUDE now! Does anyone notice she is ANGRY at Sarah now? I died out laughing when they were in the power plant and Cameron was sweeping the hell out of the floor, and when Sarah asked her did she realize a terminator was in the plant causing havoc, Cameron ignored her twice and when Sarah finally pushed her, Cameron poked her lips out and said angrily, “I’m trying to think!” in the same tone of voice an angry daughter would respond to her mother with (and as sarah said terminators never have to do that so Cameron lied out of anger), then when Sarah helps her with the other terminator, Sarah asks Cameron “Are you alright?” Cameron ignores her again, and walks past her with a “whatever” attitude. Then when Sarah asks Cameron about her cancer in the future, Cameron keeps saying I don’t know, and seems not to care and walks off (again with a human like persona). 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

HK-Aircrew
1. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 12:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 12:42 AM EDT
Yeah, she was mopping her way to China.

Emotions/feelings have been there since the Turk.
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steif.kopain
steif.kopain
2. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 1:20 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 1:20 AM EDT
Interesting points. Like Uncle Bob in T2, he said "I know why you cry, but it something which I can never do" towards the end. He became aware of how emotions work and so on. It is worthwhile noting that the writers might have intentionally hidden such subtle messages in the show for us to find them! 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

phantomwriter05
3. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 2:00 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 2:00 AM EDT
"The first two episodes of season two seem to confirm what I’ve been thinking all along, that terminators given enough exposure to humans develop love and other human emotions. Most people made the point that she overrides her original programming without johns help and decides not to kill him, and then some people point out that she was afraid of death and realized they (john and sarah) were in a position to destroy her the moment she made a move. But even if that is true, that she stopped herself from destroying him so they wouldn’t kill her, that still shows human emotion because no terminator was ever afraid of dying even if they were about to fail their mission! Arnold (T101) didn’t beg for its life, Robert Patrick (T1000) didn’t beg for his, Kristana Loken (TX) didn’t beg for its life. And while one can argue she was programmed to do that, keep in mind she is a lower level Terminator than some of the above mentioned so that can’t be true. If TX wasn’t programmed to beg for her life, odds are neither is Cameron. Then we have other evidence abound that not too many bring up. Cameron has an actual ATTITUDE now! Does anyone notice she is ANGRY at Sarah now? I died out laughing when they were in the power plant and Cameron was sweeping the hell out of the floor, and when Sarah asked her did she realize a terminator was in the plant causing havoc, Cameron ignored her twice and when Sarah finally pushed her, Cameron poked her lips out and said angrily, “I’m trying to think!” in the same tone of voice an angry daughter would respond to her mother with (and as sarah said terminators never have to do that so Cameron lied out of anger), then when Sarah helps her with the other terminator, Sarah asks Cameron “Are you alright?” Cameron ignores her again, and walks past her with a “whatever” attitude. Then when Sarah asks Cameron about her cancer in the future, Cameron keeps saying I don’t know, and seems not to care and walks off (again with a human like persona)."
YES!!!!! why don't people remember that part of the movie.
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Timewarped
Timewarped
4. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 2:38 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 2:38 AM EDT
"... “I’m trying to think!” in the same tone of voice an angry daughter would respond to her mother with... "
I think what she said was "I'm trying to figure out what to do!". I don't think that she was talking about the power plant, but was obsessing about John and Riley. Her angry reaction to Sarah indicates she was upset (jealous?). Did anyone else think that after watching the scene? I thought the whole sequence was great.
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GusSCC
GusSCC
5. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 9:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 9:15 AM EDT
She said, "I'm thinking about what to do".

Ater the fight with the Terminator, Cameron has a serious *twitch* and finally says in a very robotic way, "I'm ok.".

Where she showed feelings is at the house with Sarah. The first time Sarah asks her about the cancer Cam simply says, "I don't know?". Sarah asks again and Cam says, "I don't know" with an annoyed voice. When Sarah asks, "Am I supposed to just wait? Like a time bomb waiting to go off?" Cam replies with, "I don't know, am I?" then she walks up the stairs and briefly pauses on the stairs. It's a very human interaction.

People are missing out on these subtle things by not watching the show. They rather watch stupid, obvious crap with no subtle character development. More's the sorrow.
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valektburg
valektburg
6. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 10:28 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 10:28 AM EDT
"After the fight with the Terminator, Cameron has a serious *twitch* and finally says in a very robotic way, "I'm ok.".
.............................

People are missing out on these subtle things by not watching the show. "
When Cameron said "I'm OK" I found it very human. As a person who is deafened by a blast and speaking loud.
I agree that TSCC has some precious moments that are rare for most of other shows..
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milliardovampire
milliardovampire
7. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 10:32 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 10:32 AM EDT
"She said, "I'm thinking about what to do".

Ater the fight with the Terminator, Cameron has a serious *twitch* and finally says in a very robotic way, "I'm ok.".

Where she showed feelings is at the house with Sarah. The first time Sarah asks her about the cancer Cam simply says, "I don't know?". Sarah asks again and Cam says, "I don't know" with an annoyed voice. When Sarah asks, "Am I supposed to just wait? Like a time bomb waiting to go off?" Cam replies with, "I don't know, am I?" then she walks up the stairs and briefly pauses on the stairs. It's a very human interaction.

People are missing out on these subtle things by not watching the show. They rather watch stupid, obvious crap with no subtle character development. More's the sorrow."
Here here i agree , The show is both a roller coaster and a subtle flower just like the lovely women on the show lol. But i hope more people will watch but next week is Heros so we will take a hit , but i pray that as the season moves on more people will grow interested in it.
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valektburg
valektburg
8. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 11:39 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 11:39 AM EDT
During the first season I thought about her as a robot, who’s trying to understand humans and gradually becoming a self-awareness thing.
And the creators and the actors did a great job, telling that story.
Now there is some probability that Cameron has related to real person. Personally I don’t like that idea very much because it would spoil all season one. At least for me.

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chillin2damnhard
9. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 11:55 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 11:55 AM EDT
"I think what she said was "I'm trying to figure out what to do!". I don't think that she was talking about the power plant, but was obsessing about John and Riley. Her angry reaction to Sarah indicates she was upset (jealous?). Did anyone else think that after watching the scene? I thought the whole sequence was great."
YES!!! I believe you have a point there!!!!
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Veran
10. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 4:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 4:55 PM EDT
Also, remember when she beat those guys at pool, and she won the $50 bet. You can clearly see her with a smug smile as she counts the money, as if sheis pleased with herself. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
MeCookieMonster#3
MeCookieMonster#3
11. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 5:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 5:19 PM EDT
"I think what she said was "I'm trying to figure out what to do!". I don't think that she was talking about the power plant, but was obsessing about John and Riley. Her angry reaction to Sarah indicates she was upset (jealous?). Did anyone else think that after watching the scene? I thought the whole sequence was great."
She said, "I'm trying to think about what to do."
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Veran
12. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 5:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 5:21 PM EDT
"She said, "I'm trying to think about what to do.""
Actually, she said: "I'm thinking about what to do."
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KrelleK
13. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 6:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 6:03 PM EDT
"The first two episodes of season two seem to confirm what I’ve been thinking all along, that terminators given enough exposure to humans develop love and other human emotions. Most people made the point that she overrides her original programming without johns help and decides not to kill him, and then some people point out that she was afraid of death and realized they (john and sarah) were in a position to destroy her the moment she made a move. But even if that is true, that she stopped herself from destroying him so they wouldn’t kill her, that still shows human emotion because no terminator was ever afraid of dying even if they were about to fail their mission! Arnold (T101) didn’t beg for its life, Robert Patrick (T1000) didn’t beg for his, Kristana Loken (TX) didn’t beg for its life. And while one can argue she was programmed to do that, keep in mind she is a lower level Terminator than some of the above mentioned so that can’t be true. If TX wasn’t programmed to beg for her life, odds are neither is Cameron. Then we have other evidence abound that not too many bring up. Cameron has an actual ATTITUDE now! Does anyone notice she is ANGRY at Sarah now? I died out laughing when they were in the power plant and Cameron was sweeping the hell out of the floor, and when Sarah asked her did she realize a terminator was in the plant causing havoc, Cameron ignored her twice and when Sarah finally pushed her, Cameron poked her lips out and said angrily, “I’m trying to think!” in the same tone of voice an angry daughter would respond to her mother with (and as sarah said terminators never have to do that so Cameron lied out of anger), then when Sarah helps her with the other terminator, Sarah asks Cameron “Are you alright?” Cameron ignores her again, and walks past her with a “whatever” attitude. Then when Sarah asks Cameron about her cancer in the future, Cameron keeps saying I don’t know, and seems not to care and walks off (again with a human like persona)."
well not trying to disprove what you are saying, at all, but think Kristana Lokens T.X is the one that to me has come closest to act afraid of dying, beside Cammy, i mean she bashing and thrashing to get away from Arnie, and the door after she ended under the falling door, after being stripped of the poly alloy, and Roberts well it was bashing along in the molten steel, showing the fear like faces of people it had killed, i think on T1´s bad arnie has been like the most simple minded(go for the target-kinda guy) i mean, did roberts try to get out of it, i know it would be very hard for it to do, and would probalby not be able save much more than to be able to act like a little liquid metal mouse, or maybe only enough to act like a moskito, or something like that, not saying he should jump out of it like the dog-alien from alien 3, i just think that if T1´s bad arnie had ended down there i think he would have tried(and most likely failed) to get out of it. Just a thought, but my fave good robot, with a little attitude, well i think i must say Cammy girl, she is just too cute, and too cudly for me not to chose her
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KrelleK
14. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 6:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 6:09 PM EDT
"I think what she said was "I'm trying to figure out what to do!". I don't think that she was talking about the power plant, but was obsessing about John and Riley. Her angry reaction to Sarah indicates she was upset (jealous?). Did anyone else think that after watching the scene? I thought the whole sequence was great."
Would love to see some more Jenny, Jennifer!!!/stephmother scenes were Jenny, "might"(we seem to know it is not far of for her to talk back now,) have found the same sharp tongue that many teengirls have(especially when it comes to mothers/fathers
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copy&paste!
15. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 6:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 6:21 PM EDT
"I think what she said was "I'm trying to figure out what to do!". I don't think that she was talking about the power plant, but was obsessing about John and Riley. Her angry reaction to Sarah indicates she was upset (jealous?). Did anyone else think that after watching the scene? I thought the whole sequence was great."
no no she said:

"im thinking of what to do!"

i remember...that was when i put my hand over my mouth and gasped out loud.
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nachi-wan
nachi-wan
16. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 6:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 6:48 PM EDT
"Also, remember when she beat those guys at pool, and she won the $50 bet. You can clearly see her with a smug smile as she counts the money, as if sheis pleased with herself."
the t-x also makes a small smile when arnie gets crashed with the fire truck
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T1e2r3m4i5n6a7t8e9
17. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 9:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 9:25 PM EDT
I did. I noted that back home, and after John raised the matter of Cameron saying that he couldn't be trusted. ...."I don't have to prove anything to anyone, including you!".... Notice how, when Cameron left the room, she was looking back at John?? Still trying to figure out what to do??
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commanderchang
commanderchang
18. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Sep 19 2008, 10:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 10:58 PM EDT
The whole thing is the machines skynet and all its creations are a new species, that evolve just like humans. I belive that they (the machines) have gender as well, female terminators are female, males are male. Do you find this valuable?    
Devious_DJ
Devious_DJ
19. RE: Terminators and Feelings Is Proven
Oct 13 2008, 3:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2008, 3:21 PM EDT
T2 had so many points that foreshadow the direction of the series....i think what people generally miss is that skynet was sentient...it thought and feared for its existence...so it killed us to defend itself...now the terminators built with learning AI's (highly advanced ones) can learn aswell and with nough understanding eventually become sentient aswell...we as people in a way are machines, we have a body system organs that do jobs...and little electrical impulses that allow us to feel...to think...so whats to say that a machine with similar groundings could'nt learn to do the same....if you think of it people are "programmed" by the media and their families how to act..and they respond and think in that way, they might choose things to mix and match into their personality but, they had to learn it from somewhere...just like the cyborgs in terminator , i think what peopl should realize is that these machines arent the ones we see today but future intelligent ones...its not a question of "if" the machines can be self aware (skynet proved this) its a question of when..... Do you find this valuable?    
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