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dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 1 2008, 4:58 PM EDT
ive been reading all kinds of interveiws from other different websites like ign and all that jazziedness. basically hotty summer glau and thomas dekker, when asked about a cam/john love, they tell us what "might" happen, and in "might" it certainly seems like their saying "yeah...there will be something. dekker says that the pnly reason john is pushong around cam and getting mad at her is b/c he does not want to come to terms with the fact that he still is attracted to her, and cameron is acting the way she does, because she loves john in her own way, and that there will def be something sometime in season two.
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1. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 1 2008, 5:19 PM EDT
Are these new responses you've read? It's been brought up before. I was just wondering if there had been new interviews or Q&A sessions.
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2. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 1 2008, 5:32 PM EDT
The human-machine love thing still just creeps me out. But, I'm willing to see where the writers go with it, if they do.
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3. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 1 2008, 6:01 PM EDT
As long as its well-written, im ok with it.I would like for them to take it slow though, and im really still a fan of the way their relationship is currently. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 1 2008, 6:35 PM EDT
Well If they do it the right way(slow, maybe a little hidden flirting, but most important if they make sure Cameron is able to have suchs feelings and maybe also have John mature a little, let he be the one to slow it down maybe, if not by his own want, but then because he is very nervous about being caught redhanded/liped(be seen by Sarah or Derek holding hands/kissing a little with Cameron) saying this, will just say i do not want Cameron to be the all eager teengirl, and such to jump in the sack, but maybe to hold hands. or in short have cam gain emotions somehow, could be from the traumatic experience of being blown up, and all in all have both of them mature a bit, (a little like a danish comercial for a danish cheese says, "A Klovborg Cheese takes the time a Klovborg cheese shall take") or a vine there also shall mature, for it to bcome a good vine.when there is the case of John and Cam apparently in public is brother and sister, but am not sure, what if they made it public on school that they "really is not brother and sister, only Stephbrother/sister, Do you find this valuable? |
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5. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 1 2008, 6:40 PM EDT
and If any of you have seen the not extraudinary movie Heaven´s Fire, 2 divorced single parents is(they were not maried with each other)finding together, they man have a teenboy, 16-17 and the wokmen a girl 16-17, they both know of the parents relationship, not exactly how far it is(they are trying to find the rigt time to tell them they wants to get married, but anyway girl and boy is not happy about it when they find out, but then all hells breaks lose in the fed building they are on a tour in before going out to see a basketball game, gangsters trying to steal the moneyprinting plates there is in the building, the chopper they came in is shot down, starting a fire on the roof, not exactly big problems yet, until it halfhoovers around the building and chrashes into it on 10-15 floor, starting another fire. but in the end they(boy and girl) do act/say a bit that could indicate something, if things was allowed to evolve between them that could become something. that is just what i think. KrelleK. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 2 2008, 12:15 PM EDT
I can live with John being attracted to her in some way, but Cameron returning the favour is going to be...nauseating imo lol
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7. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 10 2008, 8:43 PM EDT
I don't think so. as has been said by the actor, and what i believe is intended by the writers is that Cameron ALREADY has a connection with John that because of memory modification, she can't clearly recall. She remembers enough to know that She had a sort of bond with john, remembers it, and certain protocols are triggered whenever she's in his presence although she's not entirely sure why. I read elsewhere on this wiki that she might possibly have hidden files that FutureJohn may have missed when removing unneeded memory for her mission, or purposely left in there for an unknonw reason. Thing is, Cameron's actually been through what happens already, she HAS a sort of connection with John which is choosing to mainfest itself in how she interacts differently with him then the others, and he's the one that's having the normal reaction of slowly falling in love with her. I mean why wouldn't he start to have an affection for her? Cameron's surely not making it any easier for him to stay away, what with her preprogrammed JOHN protocol. just a thought I had. It's not impossible. and it's certainly noticeable, to me anyway. tiny nuances in the way Cam interacts with him, even in her tone when she answers him. It's the closest thing to affectionate I've seen from her the entire show. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 13 2008, 9:16 AM EDT
"dekker says that the pnly reason john is pushong around cam and getting mad at her is b/c he does not want to come to terms with the fact that he still is attracted to her, and cameron is acting the way she does, because she loves john in her own way, and that there will def be something sometime in season two."Hey, can you tell us where you got this from? I've read about what Dekker and Glau said about a "possible romance" in March and April, but now that Season 2 has been given the green light, there might be something more they have said. Dekker didn't say much about it before, except to wait for Season 2. Glau talked about an audition she did where she cries about John in the future. Apart from that, there was nothing more in what they said before Season 2 got the green light. So where did you get this new info from Dekker and Glau? Do you find this valuable? |
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9. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 13 2008, 9:57 AM EDT
"The human-machine love thing still just creeps me out. But, I'm willing to see where the writers go with it, if they do."I'm not so much against a human-machine love thing as I am with John treating Cameron like a real girlfriend (ie. sex-bot) and with Cameron thinking likewise. If there was human-machine love, I'd like something similar to the bonding John had with Uncle Bob. Cameron is like a reincarnation of Uncle Bob. No it isn't going to be "Hasta la vista baby," "I need a vacation" or "I know why you cry but it is something I can never do." But it will probably be something similar, but with a new twist. It will be more like "I have a metal plate in my head," "Don't be a freak" and "I couldn't cry so I wrote you a letter." :) John in T2 thought it was cool having his very own terminator. He was heart-broken when the adventure was over. Cameron is a second chance, to relive that adventure and unbreak his heart. John loved Uncle Bob for his mind, because he wasn't human; he was an artificial intelligence. John could feel much the same about Cameron, but yes, she's cute so that's something extra. There's three different kinds of love: agape (detached/spiritual love), philos (affinity/brotherly love) and eros (erotic/romantic love). The sex-bot love idea is the erotic kind (eros). It doesn't have to be eros-love. What about agape-philos love, the kind John felt for Uncle Bob? A question: Does John still have feelings for Uncle Bob? Does his affinity toward Cameron go deeper, to his childhood memories? Is it, wow, this is a second chance? I don't want to screw this one up and lose my beloved metal friend ever again. I want this adventure to last as long as possible. Perhaps even a lifetime. That's why I think he's worried when she's in trouble. In the core of her chip, she is just like Uncle Bob. She came to unbreak his heart. Come on, peoples. Are we going to ditch Uncle Bob's legacy? 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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10. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 13 2008, 10:33 AM EDT
Without Uncle Bob, he probably wouldn't feel the same way about Cameron. Uncle Bob makes a difference, even now. But instead of sending another Uncle Bob back in time, this time he sent a girl-terminator to pose as his sister.If he had sent Uncle Bob, he would probably have hated him. You saw what happened in T3, he hated the machine. He loved Uncle Bob, but was always going to hate the next terminator. Her being cute lessens his hate a little. There's now a chance that he actually adores her. She can be terrifying, break his heart and lie to him. But with a face like that, he really wishes she was his friend. I sent a terminator back in time to 1985 to protect me from the T-1000. I made him my friend. With his help, we destroyed Cyberdyne Systems. We thought we stopped Judgment Day. We had to destroy him. I was heart-broken. I sent a terminator back in time to 1999 to protect me from Cromartie, a T-888. I thought oh no, this is deja vu, not another one. Not again. No thanks!!! With her help, we might stop Judgment Day. But just as well this wasn't Uncle Bob all over again. No this one is cute. But she's not a girl, she's a scary robot. Yet, I really really like her!! I really wish we could be friends. How could I reject such a beautiful face like that, such a tight present? If only she had a heart...if only she had a soul... I just wish...just wish...it just makes me sad. Uncle Bob was a saint and wouldn't lie, but saint though he was, he had to die. He saved me, but couldn't save himself. This one is dense. She will lie to me. She doesn't understand or value human life. She doesn't get it. Evidence in the Pilot of a connection with Uncle Bob: "You seem different." That line says it all. He really wants to know how she's different. Uncle Bob still mattered I think. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 13 2008, 3:38 PM EDT
"This one is dense. She will lie to me. She doesn't understand or value human life. She doesn't get it.I'm not sure what you were getting it but I think you might have missed the point. The reason John says that isn't because he thinks she's less human than Uncle Bob. It was actually because he managed to have a meaningful conversation with Cameron, and only then it dawned on him that he's having a meaningful conversation with a robot and she "gets it". She understood him and actually offered some comfort. Hence John's reaction is because he senses there's something more to her, almost human. It's not something Uncle Bob was, when they first met at least. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 13 2008, 5:12 PM EDT
"I'm not sure what you were getting it but I think you might have missed the point. The reason John says that isn't because he thinks she's less human than Uncle Bob. It was actually because he managed to have a meaningful conversation with Cameron, and only then it dawned on him that he's having a meaningful conversation with a robot and she "gets it".No that wasn't about her being less human than Uncle Bob. What I wrote up there was what John must have been thinking and feeling. The "I" pronoun (except for the last line) refers to John, not me. So this is about what John's feeling, not about whether Cameron understands the conversation. That wasn't the point of that post. What I was saying there was that when John said, "You seem different" he was making a reference to the past. He didn't consider Cameron in isolation, but was reconciling her with Uncle Bob, seeking to know how she was different to him. He hadn't forgotten about Uncle Bob. The last part of my post wasn't about her understanding anything, it was about John comparing her to Uncle Bob. Do you find this valuable? |
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13. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 13 2008, 5:41 PM EDT
Perhaps since John has been moving around a lot with Sarah, he wants to make a real friend......Cameron is pretty close to a real friend, but he knows she's still a machine...I think thats where the mixed feelings John has for her come from. Also he could be afraid that he IS feeling a love/friendship towards her...but that he doesnt want to get too close because she may have to be destroyed in the end (when they complete their mission) Just like it was with Uncle Bob. He remembers that heartbreak and is fighting to stay neutral and not get too deeply involved with caring about Cameron. Do you find this valuable? |
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14. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 13 2008, 6:00 PM EDT
"I'm not sure what you were getting it but I think you might have missed the point. The reason John says that isn't because he thinks she's less human than Uncle Bob. It was actually because he managed to have a meaningful conversation with Cameron, and only then it dawned on him that he's having a meaningful conversation with a robot and she "gets it".um...can you remind me when they had another meaningful relationship? other than the one when she was painting her nails and talking about vick. Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 13 2008, 6:42 PM EDT
"um...can you remind me when they had another meaningful relationship? other than the one when she was painting her nails and talking about vick."You mean conversation? At the gas station in the pilot: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UXM7jrt8v04 Do you find this valuable? |
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16. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 13 2008, 10:09 PM EDT
a thought just occured, i hope for jc's sake, cameron doesnt have any moving parts like gears down there.gettin it stuck in there might be painful & very embrassing XD 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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17. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 14 2008, 8:40 PM EDT
"Perhaps since John has been moving around a lot with Sarah, he wants to make a real friend......Cameron is pretty close to a real friend, but he knows she's still a machine...I think thats where the mixed feelings John has for her come from.though those feelings have already began......so now its like whats he going to do now? i cant wait to see his reacion sept 8 Do you find this valuable? |
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18. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 14 2008, 10:32 PM EDT
"though those feelings have already began......so now its like whats he going to do now?Maybe Cameron needs to rip her arm flesh off to John just to show him what she REALLY is. "See John...I'm a terminator...I have a mission......you cant fall in love with me....so STOP IT!" Haha ^_^ Then John goes into a rendition of REO Speedwagon's "Cant fight this feeling anymore" lol Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: dekker and summer tell it all
Jun 15 2008, 5:09 PM EDT
I agree with him seeing her as his first real friend sort of thing. It hasn't really been touched upon if he had any friends back in 1999 before they suddenly moved but it's hinted that they never stay in one spot long enough for him to develop those long lasting friendships. So yeah, I can totally see it going that way. She's the only one really that he can trust with their whole situation and that thus far will be remaning with the Connor's for a long period of time, wherever Sarah decides to move them. So I can understand completely why he'd be developing an affection for her. She's a new constant in his life that until now was full of crazy uncertainties. Like I said before, Cam already sort of "knows" John, and I think it's going to jog her memory in a good way when he starts acting more like the leader she knows him to be. It's going to be a bumpy, but fun ride, methinks. God, September canNOT come fast enough!
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