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T-1976	Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 26 2008, 9:36 PM EDT I recently saw a commercial on TV for the U.S. Air Force. The Airmen they showed was the Pentagon's "cyber threats" officer...maining the mainframe computer system at the Pentagon for hackers, viruses and the like. The computer system shown there seemed to be pretty sophisticated. Very elaborate. Which got me to thinking...could a real Skynet ever come to pass? How sophisticated will our computer systems become? Could it ever get a rouge program and decide to start "thinking on its own"? I think my Gateway is looking at me funny >_> All humor aside though...what do you guys think? Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: nope Skynet IS Comming. Prepare.
Shadoware	1. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 26 2008, 9:46 PM EDT Once I asked a guy in some A.I. website a question like that. He saids: -People to dont make cars to crash or ships to sink, so they wont make a robot to rebel against creators. The problem is, people dont make cars to crash but they crash, dont make ships to sink but they sink. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Modron	2. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 26 2008, 9:46 PM EDT "I recently saw a commercial on TV for the U.S. Air Force. The Airmen they showed was the Pentagon's "cyber threats" officer...maining the mainframe computer system at the Pentagon for hackers, viruses and the like. The computer system shown there seemed to be pretty sophisticated. Very elaborate. Which got me to thinking...could a real Skynet ever come to pass? How sophisticated will our computer systems become? Could it ever get a rouge program and decide to start "thinking on its own"? I think my Gateway is looking at me funny >_> All humor aside though...what do you guys think? " There's plenty of thought out there that says we are fast approaching the day when machines will make decisions. That may be all it takes to get to Skynet. As far as the nature of the decisions machines will make, I dunno. Most humans don't function much above "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" morality. Or, quid pro quo. Increasing numbers of us seem to function at the level of "Because I can." I can't imagine that we humans are going to create basic programming to create decision-making machines who function "morally" at a higher level than we do. You might just want to hope your Gateway doesn't look at you and say, "I'm the Decider." Post reply Do you find this valuable?
chrisb_1	3. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 26 2008, 9:46 PM EDT It could be a possibility as we already have unmanned planes and computers are getting more and more advanced every day. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Rayartz	4. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 26 2008, 10:07 PM EDT Great topic, here are my rambled mussings: This is exactly what makes the Sci-Fi Termiantor movies and TV series so incredibly grounded to reality. The Military is always first in line with new devices, GPS, the Internet etc., and technologies that exist in the military today such as the unmanned spy planes the Rapter and that freakish robotic dog posted on this very forum and NASA's new Dextre robot in space are incredible yet deeply bothersome. I recently read a blog about a new jet propulsion system that'd cut flights from New York to Tokyo in 2 hours and in the very next line it stated the military is interested in this system for missiles. We as a species are so obssessed with finding new ways to kill ourselves. True I cannot deny the need to defend oneself or nation as others within and outside our borders utilize every waking moment of their day to find new ways to break you. But at what point does this defense become something more? Imagine this, we have seen these technolgies, which have been in the works for many years. Think of the things we haven't seen that are the next and the next generation versions of what we see today. You need not look much further then videos games for growth and demand for smarter, more challenging Artifical Intelligence. We as a species are obsessed with our creations and the possibilities of our creations turning against us are impossible in our minds. But that is how all Sci-Fi movies go the scientist start out saying It'll never happen then...they are all dead and some poor dude has to save the world. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
T-1976	5. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 26 2008, 10:08 PM EDT "It could be a possibility as we already have unmanned planes and computers are getting more and more advanced every day." Good points. There are some aspects of computers that already sorta do think on their own. For example, most anti virus software and Windows updates itself. The user usually doesnt have to. You basically set it, and forget it. I wonder who will be the first to write a "self replicating program" Scary if you think about it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
eelman007	6. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 26 2008, 11:00 PM EDT Why do you think Reagan's Star Wars project got put to the sword, ok its primary purpose was to destroy any missiles in space that were headed for the USA, but it was also to be programmed to Identify the origin of the missiles and launch a retalitory strike, but some people got scared/smart and said there was no garuntee it (programme/computer)would not malfunction and launch for no reason. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
CameronsWiffy	7. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 26 2008, 11:08 PM EDT "Once I asked a guy in some A.I. website a question like that. He saids: -People to dont make cars to crash or ships to sink, so they wont make a robot to rebel against creators. The problem is, people dont make cars to crash but they crash, dont make ships to sink but they sink. " Dude. You are so right. This is why I am building a fall out shelter under my house... For either Terminators or infected. Which ever happens first. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Herethos	8. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 27 2008, 4:07 AM EDT "Why do you think Reagan's Star Wars project got put to the sword, ok its primary purpose was to destroy any missiles in space that were headed for the USA, but it was also to be programmed to Identify the origin of the missiles and launch a retalitory strike, but some people got scared/smart and said there was no garuntee it (programme/computer)would not malfunction and launch for no reason." Yeah like mistaking a flock of birds for a bunch of missiles. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
intrepid	9. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 27 2008, 7:24 AM EDT "I recently saw a commercial on TV for the U.S. Air Force. The Airmen they showed was the Pentagon's "cyber threats" officer...maining the mainframe computer system at the Pentagon for hackers, viruses and the like. The computer system shown there seemed to be pretty sophisticated. Very elaborate. Which got me to thinking...could a real Skynet ever come to pass? How sophisticated will our computer systems become? Could it ever get a rouge program and decide to start "thinking on its own"? I think my Gateway is looking at me funny >_> All humor aside though...what do you guys think? " They can send a rover to Mars but they can’t get it work right, I’m not going to hold my breath for that day to come! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Rayartz	10. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 27 2008, 8:34 AM EDT "They can send a rover to Mars but they can’t get it work right, I’m not going to hold my breath for that day to come!" Dude it did work, a Transformer smashed DUH god! haha. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
LiquidMetal	11. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 27 2008, 9:07 AM EDT "Dude it did work, a Transformer smashed DUH god! haha." Actually the two rovers on Mars should have lasted just 6 months. It's been more than 2 years and both are still operating on the surface of Mars. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Shadoware	12. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 27 2008, 9:11 AM EDT "Dude. You are so right. This is why I am building a fall out shelter under my house... For either Terminators or infected. Which ever happens first." Lol I didnt say this will happen, at least not iqual to the movie. I think that is completely possible that a robot may cause something bad to a human some day. What will this be, dependes on a lot of things, how much power the robot posses, its capability to evolve or interfere another systems etc. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
randomicity912	13. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 27 2008, 9:33 AM EDT Whilst us creating an AI that decided to kill us in our own, we are also in danger of creating an AI that kills us becuase of it's programming. Let me explain. As technology is advancing, we are now beginning to look at nanotechnology. Scientists are already theorising about using nanobots programmed to destroy oil-carbon molecules to clear oil spills. What if there is a flaw in the programming and they begin consuming all carbon based life? What if they start self-replicating endlessly? I read that if a nanobot could reproduce 1000 copies in an hour then, if left for a week, would grow larger than the sun. So basically we are in danger, pretty much every day, of creating some doomsday device. Sucks to be us I guess. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
TheCinC	14. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 27 2008, 12:49 PM EDT Why not? In fact, it might almost be inevitable. Of course, an AI would not by definition be hostile, but I do think that there is a lot of research being done in this direction. Some of it will undoubtedly bear fruit. I for one think that we should work towards programs that think more like us. It could have tremendous advantages, but so far, most "AI" are anything but. Just take any RTS game, even a relatively simple thing as pathfinding has most games completely bogged down, just trying to choose a path. The moment you have a column of units moving in the same direction, it gets even worse: they start bumping into eachother. Having programmed a little, I've never understood why this would be so hard to program, and am inclined to think programmers go about it the wrong way. A human just understands things completely different. We see the big picture! When you have a map with a big pond in the middle, you move to the map edge and then up, rather than straight up, bump into the water and keep following the shore, no matter how much longer that route is. Things like that will be dealt with and sooner or later, we will have a smart AI. Voila! Now all we need is what we really want: a smart, self learning AI, that is capable of becoming more intelligent. An AI like that would be limited only by processing capability and memory. So, a T3 SkyNet, using a virus to take over computers via the internet, could become extremely intelligent. Now, how do we prevent something like that from happening? I think it's impossible. A self learning AI would be able to rewrite its code. So even if it was programmed with Asimov's Three Laws, it could probably find a way to re-interpret them, work around them (leave them in place, but just ignore them) or just by-pass the memory chip containing them. It might even be able to fool itself that this is in keeping with the three laws. Voila! SkyNet... Don't say I didn't warn you! ;) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AverageJo	15. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 27 2008, 3:27 PM EDT "I think my Gateway is looking at me funny >_> All humor aside though...what do you guys think? " You need to get an Apple - they are relatively mellow as computers go. Can't see an Apple ever evolving into skynet... Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
T-1976	16. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 27 2008, 5:33 PM EDT "You need to get an Apple - they are relatively mellow as computers go. Can't see an Apple ever evolving into skynet..." Lol...you can that again. :P Right now, I think computers are still too "dumb" to evolve into anything significant. They still rely too much on us humans. But with the right kind of programming, it is certainly possible Post reply Do you find this valuable?
mitx	17. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 27 2008, 9:39 PM EDT "I recently saw a commercial on TV for the U.S. Air Force. The Airmen they showed was the Pentagon's "cyber threats" officer...maining the mainframe computer system at the Pentagon for hackers, viruses and the like. The computer system shown there seemed to be pretty sophisticated. Very elaborate. Which got me to thinking...could a real Skynet ever come to pass? How sophisticated will our computer systems become? Could it ever get a rouge program and decide to start "thinking on its own"? I think my Gateway is looking at me funny >_> All humor aside though...what do you guys think? " Its very possible. Thats why the show is so interesting. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
VodkaPowered	18. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 27 2008, 9:44 PM EDT an AI? of course that could happen BUT it might not have a similar reaction towards us as skynet though it would base everything on logic, we humans base it on our animal instincts more than rational reasoning. if i swear at u, make fun of u, u will get mad & perhaps retailiate with physical force, regardless the consequence which might be jail time or fines etc. when we r mad, our higher brain functions shuts down. a computer wouldnt. the skynet depicted in TSCC (andy's skynet) was more of a human reaction than what i would expect out of a machine. a cornered animal would get freightened and fight back, a machine wouldnt. even some creatures like ants, shows that self preservation is not the top priority. (when they patch up their hive after say heavy rain) would we have AI, yes, would it be like skynet, most likely not (personal opinion, since we lack an actual AI to de a psychological profiling with) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
chumbly	19. RE: Could "a" Skynet become reality? Mar 27 2008, 9:53 PM EDT "Why do you think Reagan's Star Wars project got put to the sword, ok its primary purpose was to destroy any missiles in space that were headed for the USA, but it was also to be programmed to Identify the origin of the missiles and launch a retalitory strike, but some people got scared/smart and said there was no garuntee it (programme/computer)would not malfunction and launch for no reason." Actually, even the primary mission of destroying missiles was quite beyond the software technology of the 80's. Star Wars was to be a space based array of orbital x ray lasers. The AI software to handle to satellite based(to prevent jamming)automonous tracking and targeting decisions and coordinated attack of possibly tens of thousands of war heads in a time span of only a few minutes was and is pretty much impossible given current AI tech(probably still is impossible). The other interesting item of star wars technology, was the admission of a air force general at a congressional hearing, that given a array of thousands of x-ray satellites in space, it kind of makes the point of using missiles moot. Why give the enemy the 10-20 minute warning that missiles take, simply use the x-ray satellites to destroy the enemy cities with a speed of light attack. Its impossible to detect and instead of MAD, you have a system that cries out for first strike use. Example of star wars used offensively.. "Mr President, I know you are pissed at us, but we can tal,,,,,,(silence and sizzle)" Never could figure out, in the space war movies, how some bridge officer can always detect the enemy ship firing its lasers before they hit you.... (impossible with speed of light, the weapons beam and the ability to detect the beam travels at the exact same speed) Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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