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sugaki
Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 28 2008, 11:42 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2008, 11:42 PM EST
I expect a "0 of 12 found this helpful" by saying this, but...

After 7 episodes, I've concluded Dekker is the weakest link as far as acting goes, and just don't like him. Lena shows the most emotion just from her expressions, Summer is great as a quirky terminator, agent Ellison is imposing yet pensive.

But Thomas Dekker just isn't a great John Conner. Granted, I didn't think Eddie Furlong was that great either, but I'm thinking the biggest obstacle to the show really taking off is Dekker. His emotions are written on his sleeves, and is just emotionally simplistic. As a young kid on the run, witnessed multiple deaths, is constantly being targeted, I just don't see that reflected in how he acts. In Lena you can see the anguish, pain, and a whole range of emotions underneath the surface of trying to act strong. I know John's not matured yet and isn't supposed to be like the future John Connor, but he's just not a convincing actor for me.

It's still my favorite show, but Dekker's Connor feels more fitting as a sub-character in Dawson's Creek.
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mitx
mitx
1. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 28 2008, 11:57 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2008, 11:57 PM EST
"I expect a "0 of 12 found this helpful" by saying this, but...

After 7 episodes, I've concluded Dekker is the weakest link as far as acting goes, and just don't like him. Lena shows the most emotion just from her expressions, Summer is great as a quirky terminator, agent Ellison is imposing yet pensive.

But Thomas Dekker just isn't a great John Conner. Granted, I didn't think Eddie Furlong was that great either, but I'm thinking the biggest obstacle to the show really taking off is Dekker. His emotions are written on his sleeves, and is just emotionally simplistic. As a young kid on the run, witnessed multiple deaths, is constantly being targeted, I just don't see that reflected in how he acts. In Lena you can see the anguish, pain, and a whole range of emotions underneath the surface of trying to act strong. I know John's not matured yet and isn't supposed to be like the future John Connor, but he's just not a convincing actor for me.

It's still my favorite show, but Dekker's Connor feels more fitting as a sub-character in Dawson's Creek."
I was suprised how good the 90210 guy is. Im impressed. I like Johns look, I like his character. Remember people react to trauma different. Some withdraw, some act out. But at the same time he is calm and in control mostly, which is what I would expect from the savor of mankind. I would say that cromardy is weaker. But I wouldnt rank John near the top I guess. I love the guys look. The other actors are like you said really solid characters.
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sugaki
2. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 28 2008, 11:59 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2008, 11:59 PM EST
"I was suprised how good the 90210 guy is. Im impressed. I like Johns look, I like his character. Remember people react to trauma different. Some withdraw, some act out. But at the same time he is calm and in control mostly, which is what I would expect from the savor of mankind. I would say that cromardy is weaker. But I wouldnt rank John near the top I guess. I love the guys look. The other actors are like you said really solid characters."
I agree. David (that's all I know him as haha) is a great Derek. Multi-dimensional, but hard to pigeon-hole as good or bad.
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whoframedrudy
whoframedrudy
3. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 12:23 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 12:23 AM EST
It is a TV show, and I don't think they need to go overboard on the anguish and pain. Lena is doing a terrific job -- TSSC has a unique emotional overlay that ties all its parts together -- the music, the story, the acting, the efx. But if I were directing Dekker, I'd tell him to take the edge off just a bit and let Lena take care of the apocalyptic emotions.

I think he's doing a great job. His best work is reacting to the Terminator in the house -- so much better than Star Trek or AI, much more nuanced relationship with artificial intelligence. This whole story is basically a 4-dimensional chess endgame between John Connor and Skynet. What did Andy say -- the Turk plays chess better than any human ever has or ever will? Apparently not so. I'd give Dekker an emmy for one scene alone -- the exchange of looks between him and his mother when the Terminator walks by in her underwear -- priceless!
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mitx
mitx
4. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 12:40 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 12:40 AM EST
"I expect a "0 of 12 found this helpful" by saying this, but...

After 7 episodes, I've concluded Dekker is the weakest link as far as acting goes, and just don't like him. Lena shows the most emotion just from her expressions, Summer is great as a quirky terminator, agent Ellison is imposing yet pensive.

But Thomas Dekker just isn't a great John Conner. Granted, I didn't think Eddie Furlong was that great either, but I'm thinking the biggest obstacle to the show really taking off is Dekker. His emotions are written on his sleeves, and is just emotionally simplistic. As a young kid on the run, witnessed multiple deaths, is constantly being targeted, I just don't see that reflected in how he acts. In Lena you can see the anguish, pain, and a whole range of emotions underneath the surface of trying to act strong. I know John's not matured yet and isn't supposed to be like the future John Connor, but he's just not a convincing actor for me.

It's still my favorite show, but Dekker's Connor feels more fitting as a sub-character in Dawson's Creek."
When I heard 90210 guy was going to be on, I thought this guy has to be extra good to break my image of dorky donnas boyfriend. He did a great job in this series. I love his character more each time I see him.
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5. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 1:16 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 1:16 AM EST
While I haven't liked some of the direction or writing of Dekker's character during some episodes, I think he is a capable actor. It's tough playing second fiddle to a complex terminator who just so happens to be Summer Glau, so cut the guy some slack! I'm sure with the fan response to Summer, the writers are even more interested in focusing their attention on Cameron, so that could be one factor in not amping up John's part.

Dekker did say at the recent event that his character has to basically evolve as well so he can start acting the leader instead of being an insecure teen (I'm paraphrasing).

I did menion elsewhere that we should be courteous in our judgments in case there are lurkers around. Even if there aren't or weren't it should still be done with respect to the actors and crew and to ourselves in general.

Dan
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mitx
mitx
6. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 1:30 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 1:30 AM EST
"While I haven't liked some of the direction or writing of Dekker's character during some episodes, I think he is a capable actor. It's tough playing second fiddle to a complex terminator who just so happens to be Summer Glau, so cut the guy some slack! I'm sure with the fan response to Summer, the writers are even more interested in focusing their attention on Cameron, so that could be one factor in not amping up John's part.

Dekker did say at the recent event that his character has to basically evolve as well so he can start acting the leader instead of being an insecure teen (I'm paraphrasing).

I did menion elsewhere that we should be courteous in our judgments in case there are lurkers around. Even if there aren't or weren't it should still be done with respect to the actors and crew and to ourselves in general.

Dan "
Yea spies!
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7. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 2:37 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 2:37 AM EST
"While I haven't liked some of the direction or writing of Dekker's character during some episodes, I think he is a capable actor. It's tough playing second fiddle to a complex terminator who just so happens to be Summer Glau, so cut the guy some slack! I'm sure with the fan response to Summer, the writers are even more interested in focusing their attention on Cameron, so that could be one factor in not amping up John's part.

Dekker did say at the recent event that his character has to basically evolve as well so he can start acting the leader instead of being an insecure teen (I'm paraphrasing).

I did menion elsewhere that we should be courteous in our judgments in case there are lurkers around. Even if there aren't or weren't it should still be done with respect to the actors and crew and to ourselves in general.

Dan "
I think “electing” a weak link isn’t fruitful, but of the three main characters, his character would win by a landslide.

I wouldn’t blame the actor too much; at times he’s gung-ho, as in “Heavy Metal” and then in “The Demon’s Hand” he decides he wants to go to school instead of a “mission”. That’s the writers. In other words, **my** only issue with his character is a lack of consistency in action (which could be explained away by his alleged age of 15; he hasn’t matured).

Anyway, Cameron is indispensable to the show, so none of the “big three” will meet an untimely end, **unless** it’s the very last episode, and none of us are hoping that comes anytime soon, otherwise why would we be posting in this forum??

K e v
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mitx
mitx
8. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 2:55 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 2:55 AM EST
"I think “electing” a weak link isn’t fruitful, but of the three main characters, his character would win by a landslide.

I wouldn’t blame the actor too much; at times he’s gung-ho, as in “Heavy Metal” and then in “The Demon’s Hand” he decides he wants to go to school instead of a “mission”. That’s the writers. In other words, **my** only issue with his character is a lack of consistency in action (which could be explained away by his alleged age of 15; he hasn’t matured).

Anyway, Cameron is indispensable to the show, so none of the “big three” will meet an untimely end, **unless** it’s the very last episode, and none of us are hoping that comes anytime soon, otherwise why would we be posting in this forum??

K e v
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Yea he may not be the best actor but he is VERY entertaining to watch.
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whyher
whyher
9. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 3:01 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 3:01 AM EST
I think he does a great job, You really have to know what you are looking for to see it, His acting is more complex than you may know, The few episodes he does get a chance to shine he does, Derek is doing great too, and the EMT guy, Forget his name is very very good too, I like the characters right now, a lot... Do you find this valuable?    
mitx
mitx
10. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 4:14 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 4:14 AM EST
"I think he does a great job, You really have to know what you are looking for to see it, His acting is more complex than you may know, The few episodes he does get a chance to shine he does, Derek is doing great too, and the EMT guy, Forget his name is very very good too, I like the characters right now, a lot..."
Maybe they will get some of the saved by the bell cast. I wouldn't mind seeing screach as John Connor.
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sugaki
11. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 4:15 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 4:15 AM EST
Well watching the show, it seems like John Conner is overshadowed by Lena and Summer. Actually my fav char is Cameron. I was pretty indifferent to Summer's char in Firefly, but in this she has a charm and a way of expressing hints of emotion that a cyborg shouldn't have. The only reason why I'm interested in John's char is simply to see how he interacts w/ Cameron.

I guess since this is "Sarah Connor Chronicles" and not "John Conner Chronicles" that it's not surprising Lena takes more prominence?
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mitx
mitx
12. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 4:16 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 4:16 AM EST
"Well watching the show, it seems like John Conner is overshadowed by Lena and Summer. Actually my fav char is Cameron. I was pretty indifferent to Summer's char in Firefly, but in this she has a charm and a way of expressing hints of emotion that a cyborg shouldn't have. The only reason why I'm interested in John's char is simply to see how he interacts w/ Cameron.

I guess since this is "Sarah Connor Chronicles" and not "John Conner Chronicles" that it's not surprising Lena takes more prominence?"
yea I never thought of that. Your right.
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13. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 1:44 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 1:44 PM EST
"While I haven't liked some of the direction or writing of Dekker's character during some episodes, I think he is a capable actor. It's tough playing second fiddle to a complex terminator who just so happens to be Summer Glau, so cut the guy some slack! I'm sure with the fan response to Summer, the writers are even more interested in focusing their attention on Cameron, so that could be one factor in not amping up John's part.

Dekker did say at the recent event that his character has to basically evolve as well so he can start acting the leader instead of being an insecure teen (I'm paraphrasing).

I did menion elsewhere that we should be courteous in our judgments in case there are lurkers around. Even if there aren't or weren't it should still be done with respect to the actors and crew and to ourselves in general.

Dan "
That's what I was thinking that his character is evolving. I think as far as the part goes he does a great job and I expect as the character grows he'll be up to the challenge.
I thought the bit he did in reacting to Sarah's giving him up for adoption was excellent.
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14. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 1:53 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 1:53 PM EST
The show is supposed to be based more on sarah conner. I think that thomas dekker is better at john connor then edward furlog (whatever his last name is. but he did a ok job at it too and A DAMN GOOD JOB in the crow 4. Its kinda funny though he looks kinda like the john connor out of t3. Do you find this valuable?    

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15. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 9:13 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 9:13 PM EST
"I expect a "0 of 12 found this helpful" by saying this, but...

After 7 episodes, I've concluded Dekker is the weakest link as far as acting goes, and just don't like him. Lena shows the most emotion just from her expressions, Summer is great as a quirky terminator, agent Ellison is imposing yet pensive.

But Thomas Dekker just isn't a great John Conner. Granted, I didn't think Eddie Furlong was that great either, but I'm thinking the biggest obstacle to the show really taking off is Dekker. His emotions are written on his sleeves, and is just emotionally simplistic. As a young kid on the run, witnessed multiple deaths, is constantly being targeted, I just don't see that reflected in how he acts. In Lena you can see the anguish, pain, and a whole range of emotions underneath the surface of trying to act strong. I know John's not matured yet and isn't supposed to be like the future John Connor, but he's just not a convincing actor for me.

It's still my favorite show, but Dekker's Connor feels more fitting as a sub-character in Dawson's Creek.
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I actually agree with you. I don't think all of it is his fault. Could be the directing. When he has had oppritunities to take the spotlight in certain scenes in the series I just feel that he has come up short. Maybe it's just that he doesn't exhibit as much emotion as I think he should. I not trying to knock the guy, I'm not an expert in acting so there is a high probability that I am wrong.
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16. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 10:02 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 10:02 PM EST
I don't think that John is supposed to take over yet. I think that at this point he still has his own doubts about his future. It would be incredibly hard to grow up to know that you are going to be the savior of man kind. You are going to have your doubts and you are going to hope that shomehow someone comes along and that becomes a burden you no longer have to carry. There will come a moment, something that will make him be the leader he is meant to be. Do you find this valuable?    

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17. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 10:34 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 10:34 PM EST
I don't feel that Dekker is a weak link at all. I find Dekker to be the best John Connor we've seen. E.Furlong was horrible in T2: he couldn't act at the time and was going thru puberty. Nick Stahl wasn't convincing either. But Dekker plays John Connor with a lot of depth and emotion. I think Dekker's got it bad in the series so far, and it's not his fault. The writers are making him weak, and we the fans just don't like it. Without a doubt they will be building his character up, but we the viewers are a bit tired of John Connor's whining and emo "esc" behavior. It seems to be the only side of him they've allowed Dekker to show us. We even see more dimensions out of Derek Reese in just 2 episodes. I was excited in "Heavy Metal" to see John take initiative - then it seems as though they shot him back down again after that. But in terms of acting, I like T.Dekker and I think he's gonna do a great job when they eventually let John Connor step up to the plate some more. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

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18. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 10:50 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 10:50 PM EST
"I did menion elsewhere that we should be courteous in our judgments in case there are lurkers around. Even if there aren't or weren't it should still be done with respect to the actors and crew and to ourselves in general."
If these people who are getting paid up to six figures can't handle criticism from a bunch of nerds on an Internet forum (that's what we all are) then maybe they should look into another field to make their incomes.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
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19. RE: Thomas Dekker (John) show's weakest link?
Feb 29 2008, 11:12 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 11:12 PM EST
"If these people who are getting paid up to six figures can't handle criticism from a bunch of nerds on an Internet forum (that's what we all are) then maybe they should look into another field to make their incomes."
I don't mean you can't be critical, just be nice about it. I don't think you would want to be cut into mercilessly like some people do on the internet because they can hide behind a handle. Just because they (unfortunately) make gobs of money for what they do doesn't mean they aren't human.

Do unto others.
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