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GEN3TIX
GEN3TIX
The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 21 2008, 11:32 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 21 2008, 11:32 PM EST
The magical Epidermal Growth Rate breakthrough leaves middle-aged scientist man eyeless. Lol, so horrible.


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Growth Rates of TGF, PDGF, EDGF, est. Makes a synthetic O2 Carrier. Carriers of O2 to skin= making it ovulate for marrow interaction. Thus leading to my eyes being taken from me.
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cptobvious
cptobvious
1. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 22 2008, 12:47 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 22 2008, 12:47 PM EST
First off, I'm stunned that you took the time to freeze frame on the white board and write all that down.

Nextly, the formula for epidermal growth is a moot point. It's Science Fiction. FICTION. I know that's not what you were saying and that your post was an attempt at an exploding eyeball joke. Good try.

What bothers me about the whole scene there is that the terminator knows the formula already, so what'd he need the scientist for in the first place? He was able to break into a hospital and steal the blood and plasma he needed, why not just go take the rest of what he needed and take care of himself. Terminators are programmed to repair themselves.

Also, by killing the guy that invented the formula, doesn't that kinda create a paradox? The guy hadn't perfected the formula yet, so his results weren't published. The night he perfects it, he's killed the board with the formula is damaged and unreadable so the formula never gets published. If the formula is never published then how does the Terminator know it? See the big hole there!!!! Granted this is science fiction so anything is possible, I just wish the writers would make things a bit more believable and stop leaving such gaping holes in the story...
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Pyus
Pyus
2. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 22 2008, 12:53 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 22 2008, 12:53 PM EST
how do we know that is the man that originally developed it. remember if a human had figured it out the first terminators would not have had rubber skin they would have started out with organic skin because the formula would have been published and skynet would have found it on line before judgement day. My guess is that skynet developed the technology and it is in the terminators memory so the terminator found someone who was working on the same thing gave him the formula then killed him and erased the forumla to prevent humans from developing this. 6  out of 6 found this valuable. Do you?    
cptobvious
cptobvious
3. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 22 2008, 1:01 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 22 2008, 1:01 PM EST
That's a plausible idea Pyus. By the same token though, he did leave the bathtub full. The completed formula is in the bath tub. Wouldn't forensic detectives dissect that in a heartbeat? Quick call the cast (and the writers) of CSI, we got a doozy for them!

I really like this show, and I want to like it more. It's like watching the Detroit Lions play. I know they're gonna dissapoint me every week, but yet I still watch each game and cheer for them. This show has so much potential it's not living up to because of bad writing/editing that result in creating immensely vacuumous paradoxes that they just are refusing to explain to us viewers.
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eightthegreat
eightthegreat
4. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 22 2008, 1:37 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 22 2008, 1:37 PM EST
I wonder if the terminator told the scientist anything, wonder why the scientist didn't leave when the terminator was in the tub? Was he not scared. I guess maybe he wanted to see this formula at work, but still, he was pretty calm after having seen this machine. 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
firefox7
firefox7
5. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 22 2008, 3:02 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 22 2008, 3:02 PM EST
"I wonder if the terminator told the scientist anything, wonder why the scientist didn't leave when the terminator was in the tub? Was he not scared. I guess maybe he wanted to see this formula at work, but still, he was pretty calm after having seen this machine."
Yeah the scientist was a little to calm after seeing the machine in its true form. He must have known at some point (this point) that he would surely die at the hands of this machine. Why did he not attempt to flee from there when the terminator was baking in the bloody tub? Who knows... guess he wanted to see how things would turn out. Why did he cut open the eyes of the Terminator only to have his own removed to go in there?

Freaky...
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canucklehead
6. ...and what was with the bad makeup job at the end
Jan 22 2008, 5:34 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 22 2008, 5:34 PM EST
The Terminator in the tub, as he turns his head, you can see around his neck that the "mask" had come off and you could see the actor's bare neck. I noticed it right away and rewound it (taped) to make sure I saw what I thought I saw!

Not a bad show but stuff like this makes it much less enjoyable. This and:
- the terminator head passing through the time portal
- Cameron's terminator's initial ability to blend in with all the other teenagers and now seems utterly incapable of acting remotely human
- Sarah Connor doesn't act very Sarah Connor

I dunno. I guess I'm being picky but like I said, all this makes the show less enjoyable. I don't like constantly being reminded that I'm watching a TV show.
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ANTIcarrot
ANTIcarrot
7. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 22 2008, 5:56 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 22 2008, 5:56 PM EST
"Yeah the scientist [...] must have known at some point (this point) that he would surely die at the hands of this machine.
"
That's not how scientists think. Especially slightly greedy research scientists who meet 'someone' who has the solution to a problem he's in an international high stakes race to solve. It's also possible that time-traveling terminators have a number of standard explanations for their existence, all of which are plausible* and designed to invoke sympathy and assistance from certain types of humans.

*Where 'plausible' can mean pretty much anything once an impossible robot is standing in front of you as evidence.
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Pyus
Pyus
8. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 22 2008, 6:07 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 22 2008, 6:07 PM EST
we see in the previews for next week that Cromartie is talking to someone saying he needs reconstructive surgury, i guess to smooth out the face. Who here wants to put money on the fact he is going to die too. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Kyle_Reese
Kyle_Reese
9. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 22 2008, 6:09 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 22 2008, 6:09 PM EST
I'm with Pyus on Skynet developing the skin for the Terminators; I'm not an organic chemist but the formulae looked pretty darn complicated, I'd suggest that the process involved a lot of complex reagents and catalysts that aren't easy to find; rather than take the time to hunt all the separate components down and build his own lab it was far more efficient for the Terminator to locate a researcher who was working in a similar field and hijack his setup, all he need to add was the blood which was relatively easy to obtain. I don't know if we actually saw the tub clearly when the cops found the body, may be the terminator pulled the plug? regardless I doubt CSI's would make much of it, a unique chemical mixture that no one would recognize that wouldn't help them identify the killer? It'd be be buried in the files most likely.

I did think that Scientist should have been more fearfull, and showing the scene where he cuts open the T-800 eyes after the police discover his body was clumsy, would have been just as effective, and less confusing, to show it in its proper sequence.
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Silentnarcotic
Silentnarcotic
10. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 22 2008, 11:36 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 22 2008, 11:36 PM EST
What happened to the good old days of making Terminator skin like this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TctwLOSY4M0
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KiNgVooDooWiLLy
KiNgVooDooWiLLy
11. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 23 2008, 12:01 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 23 2008, 12:01 AM EST
Originally, the script called for this scene to be a little longer. They cut the part where the doctor leans towards the Terminator in the bathtub and says... ''Hey baby, can I wash your back?''. :)
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Wild-Kat
12. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 23 2008, 12:57 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 23 2008, 12:57 AM EST
"Yeah the scientist was a little to calm after seeing the machine in its true form. He must have known at some point (this point) that he would surely die at the hands of this machine. Why did he not attempt to flee from there when the terminator was baking in the bloody tub? Who knows... guess he wanted to see how things would turn out. Why did he cut open the eyes of the Terminator only to have his own removed to go in there?

Freaky..."
And don't forget that he was the one that gently closed the door...
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T-69
T-69
13. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 23 2008, 1:12 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 23 2008, 1:12 AM EST
"And don't forget that he was the one that gently closed the door..."
I know! That was so creepy! He slowly closes the door...that was just wrong!

Reminds me of the last scene of Return of the Living Dead, when the zombie boyfriend says "Tina, if you love me, you will let me eat your brains!" and she replies "Ok". As the nuke explodes. Great movie, go rent it if you have no idea what I'm talking about.
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caLinAtor
caLinAtor
14. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 23 2008, 3:14 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 23 2008, 3:14 AM EST
"First off, I'm stunned that you took the time to freeze frame on the white board and write all that down.

Nextly, the formula for epidermal growth is a moot point. It's Science Fiction. FICTION. I know that's not what you were saying and that your post was an attempt at an exploding eyeball joke. Good try.

What bothers me about the whole scene there is that the terminator knows the formula already, so what'd he need the scientist for in the first place? He was able to break into a hospital and steal the blood and plasma he needed, why not just go take the rest of what he needed and take care of himself. Terminators are programmed to repair themselves.

Also, by killing the guy that invented the formula, doesn't that kinda create a paradox? The guy hadn't perfected the formula yet, so his results weren't published. The night he perfects it, he's killed the board with the formula is damaged and unreadable so the formula never gets published. If the formula is never published then how does the Terminator know it? See the big hole there!!!! Granted this is science fiction so anything is possible, I just wish the writers would make things a bit more believable and stop leaving such gaping holes in the story..."
I doubt the terminator is programmed to know the formula for synthetic skin regrowth. They do know how to repair themselves, but only if it deals with mechanical and electrical problems. I do not recall from the earlier movies of them regenerating their own skin.

Even if the scientist dies, it does not create a paradox. He states under a low voice that "he doesn't have it right", but that there are two other scientists that he mentions in a low voice that are doing work on the Epidermal Growth Rate. the scientists being Thomason, Parker, and himself. The scientist feels he didnt have the right formula but that another one might have it right, namely Parker. If a team of scientists is working on it, there's no telling one of the other two might get it right. He also mentions that he has more Epidermal Growth Rates at the lab, so the formula may not be lost after all.....
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Pyus
Pyus
15. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 23 2008, 7:35 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 23 2008, 7:35 AM EST
"I doubt the terminator is programmed to know the formula for synthetic skin regrowth. They do know how to repair themselves, but only if it deals with mechanical and electrical problems. I do not recall from the earlier movies of them regenerating their own skin.

Even if the scientist dies, it does not create a paradox. He states under a low voice that "he doesn't have it right", but that there are two other scientists that he mentions in a low voice that are doing work on the Epidermal Growth Rate. the scientists being Thomason, Parker, and himself. The scientist feels he didnt have the right formula but that another one might have it right, namely Parker. If a team of scientists is working on it, there's no telling one of the other two might get it right. He also mentions that he has more Epidermal Growth Rates at the lab, so the formula may not be lost after all....."
They have never had to use this formula because they had never had their skin completely removed and still needed to blend in. in T1 it was removed but he was closing in and concealment wasn't the problem. Cromarties skin could not grow back on its own because the biological covering had died and rotted away. since his mission is not over he cannot just walk around like he was in the get up he has to have his skin done to blend in, i imagine skynet programs them with this info incase a person takes a flame thrower to them or something trying to expose them, because if they were exposed they wouldnt last long the military would take it out with a javelin or something and then cart all his peices off to a lab. and wonder why it says made in the USA on the inside lol
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TeeRacy
TeeRacy
16. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 23 2008, 10:25 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 23 2008, 10:25 AM EST
"... He must have known at some point (this point) that he would surely die at the hands of this machine. Why did he not attempt to flee from there when the terminator was baking in the bloody tub? Who knows... guess he wanted to see how things would turn out. Why did he cut open the eyes of the Terminator only to have his own removed to go in there?"
WHAT IF.... the termy told the Sci-guy that he was from the future and fed him some story that he (the termy) would come back and rectify things so the Sci-guy death wouldn't be "permanent". (does that make sense?) Perhaps there was something said by the Termy that made the Dr. feel that what he was doing was ok. Or heck, it could have been the drive-by-the-bloody-car-accident-scenario..... Can't, shouldn't, won't look, but MUST, Oh! Dear Lord!, OH NO!.....
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firefox7
firefox7
17. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 23 2008, 1:29 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 23 2008, 1:29 PM EST
"That's not how scientists think. Especially slightly greedy research scientists who meet 'someone' who has the solution to a problem he's in an international high stakes race to solve. It's also possible that time-traveling terminators have a number of standard explanations for their existence, all of which are plausible* and designed to invoke sympathy and assistance from certain types of humans.

*Where 'plausible' can mean pretty much anything once an impossible robot is standing in front of you as evidence."
I don't agree with that ANTIcarrot,

In the Turk Episode, the scientist meets the Terminator (first greeting we see anyway) by him choking him around his neck and holding him several feet off the ground. That is enough to place some object of FEAR into the heart of just about anybody I think.

Yeah, the scientist was awe struck but also fear -struct as well (or should be in real life). "Here is a mighty powerful robotic machine that could crush my neck and hold me off the ground without much effort." Should he be thinking about fear and the end of his life at this point? IMO, I damn well think he should have been.
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firefox7
firefox7
18. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 23 2008, 1:40 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 23 2008, 1:40 PM EST
"I'm with Pyus on Skynet developing the skin for the Terminators; I'm not an organic chemist but the formulae looked pretty darn complicated, I'd suggest that the process involved a lot of complex reagents and catalysts that aren't easy to find; rather than take the time to hunt all the separate components down and build his own lab it was far more efficient for the Terminator to locate a researcher who was working in a similar field and hijack his setup, all he need to add was the blood which was relatively easy to obtain. I don't know if we actually saw the tub clearly when the cops found the body, may be the terminator pulled the plug? regardless I doubt CSI's would make much of it, a unique chemical mixture that no one would recognize that wouldn't help them identify the killer? It'd be be buried in the files most likely.

I did think that Scientist should have been more fearfull, and showing the scene where he cuts open the T-800 eyes after the police discover his body was clumsy, would have been just as effective, and less confusing, to show it in its proper sequence. "
I think the producers of the show showed the scene like that to add an air of eerieness to the mood of the ending (like it wasn't already there?). It was done like a sort of who done it (hmm my bet was on the Terminator to begin with).

My only guess is that the scientist did what he did for the Terminator out of sheer fear (which got him killed anyway).

CSI might have been able to reverse engineer the mixture in the tub (it was full at the end when the cops arrived on scene). However, the mixture (blood plasma based) was rottining as the cops were holding their noses at it so it might not have been truely something that was easy to reverse engineer IMO.

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firefox7
firefox7
19. RE: The sceintist Dies no...
Jan 23 2008, 1:45 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 23 2008, 1:45 PM EST
"What happened to the good old days of making Terminator skin like this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TctwLOSY4M0"
That is a good clip. Shows a lot of good stuff. In the factory, it is got to be easier than in some bloody tub to make skin, but that is cookie cutter like as shown in the Rare T2 Teaser...
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