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How could TSCC fit in with T3 and T4?

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How could TSCC fit in with T3 and T4?
Dec 5 2009, 9:48 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 5 2009, 9:48 AM EST
We were told up front that TSCC is derived from the T1 and T2 stories and that no tie ins were intended for T3 and T4. One of the wiki members described TSCC as being on a different timeline.

Having acknowledged this, is it possible nevertheless to fit the TSCC story in such that it is compatible with all the movies so far?
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Dr._Allison_Cameron
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1. RE: How could TSCC fit in with T3 and T4?
Dec 5 2009, 9:51 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 22 2010, 10:47 AM EST
Yah, as I've written on another thread:

I have the sense that T4 occurs in the future that follows T1 but before the story of T2, i.e., before the T-1000 and Uncle Bob are sent back.

Of course, we don't know, but this is just my impression given John's attitude toward Marcus and his reactions to the new T-800. To me, it was as if he had never spent time with Uncle Bob in T2 or the T-850 in T3 (or Cameron, of course), nor had any knowledge of higher models like LMTs.

And T3 seems to have occurred after John went through T2, as I would expect. They referred to some of the stuff that happened in T2 in the T3 dialog.

I could imagine that after Sarah blew up Cyberdyne in T2, one of the surviving research scientists on Miles Dyson's team would have completed development of Skynet. This had been his job at Cyberdyne and we know the Air Force wanted it done, so he got hired to do it at another place.So, he made the new Skynet in T3.

At the end of the T3 story, John and Kate are in an old military shelter and very disappointed that they could not stop Judgment Day. I can believe that after they eventually get a hold of the TDE, they send somebody back to kill the developer, the surviving research scientist from Cyberdyne who continued the work after Sarah blew up Cyberdyne.

After this scientist is killed, the story of T3 is wiped out. It doesn't happen. Instead, we get Andy Goode developing his first Turk, which becomes Skynet after winning the chess tournament and being taken by the Air Force. This then is what kicks off the whole TSCC story.

So, I can think that it can all hang together this way.

"Temporally correct" sequencing would be T1, T4, T2, T3, TSCC. Perhaps followed by T5 and T6.
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2. RE: How could TSCC fit in with T3 and T4?
Dec 5 2009, 10:05 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 5 2010, 7:42 PM EST
Your idea sounds reasonable.

I would say that T4 could fit into almost any future that occurs after the first time that Arnie and Kyle were sent, excepting TSCC. I agree that it does sound closer to the post-T1 future.

As you say, T3 requires that T2 has happened. TSCC either occurs before or after T3. You have put TSCC after T3, choosing to wipe out T3 with an assassination staged from the future.

TSCC could be put before T3, in which case TSCC would need to have been wiped out, probably again by an assassination staged from the future. Easiest would be to have Andrew Goode killed before he makes the first Turk.

An alternative would be to prevent Andrew's father's death. Recall that Andrew had to drop out of Caltech because his father died and he needed to support his mother. If his father had lived, Andrew would have finished his Caltech degree and gone on to a regular career, one that probably would not involve creating the Turk.

Either way, our Cam's future would be quite different since it was based on a Skynet that developed from the first Turk. Without the Turks, there might not even be any Cameron or Cromartie, and John Connor would have lived his life until the onset of T3.

Thus, T3 would be the surviving future, not TSCC.

[edit add] I had a new idea of how to tie T3 and TSCC together. This would support your idea of TSCC being the surviving future, not T3. Let Andrew Goode's father be the Cyberdyne research scientist who continued the work. If the scientist did not die, he would make Skynet for T3, and Andrew would finish Caltech and not make the first Turk. If he is killed, Andrew drops out of Caltech and makes the first Turk, which becomes the first Skynet in TSCC. This way it would be even clearer that when John and Kate send back an assassin to kill the scientist, it not only wipes out T3, but plants the seeds for TSCC.
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3. RE: How could TSCC fit in with T3 and T4?
Dec 5 2009, 10:22 AM EST | Post edited: Jun 7 2010, 3:43 PM EDT
I just wanted to clear up one other item.

Early in my profile page comments, I have a section titled "Who sent Kyle?" It addresses the issue of having two rival time travelers arrive in the present. Presumably, the Skynet agent always was sent first, then the Resistance agent is sent after the Resistance captures the TDE from Skynet.

Having explained how this can happen for T1, T2, and TSCC, I now also have a scenario explanation for T3, because we are talking about integrating T3 into our Terminator universe.

Recall at the animal hospital, the T-X terminator is asking Kate Brewster where John is, standing with her foot on Kate's throat in the parking lot. At the same time, John is stuck in the animal cage trying to get out. In T3, the T850 rams the T-X with a pickup truck, freeing Kate. Inside the animal hospital, John is able to kick open the cage door and free himself very soon after the truck crashes through the wall.

I believe that if the T850 never came, that Kate would have stalled answering the T-X and that John would have escaped the cage while the T-X was still interrogating Kate. Running out the door, John would have been seen by the T-X, who would have abandoned Kate and run after John. Kate runs and gets away. John is able to run and hide, evading the T-X. Before long cops arrive, responding to a report of shots fired, providing cover for John to escape the vicinity.

John continues to live totally off the grid, and he meets up with Kate and gets her to do the same. They elude the T1000 long enough for the future Resistance to have enough time to capture the TDE and send the T850.
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4. RE: How could TSCC fit in with T3 and T4?
Oct 20 2010, 10:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2010, 10:10 PM EDT
Using the ideas in this thread and my interpretations laid out on my Profile Page, I have put the whole Terminator storyline into one narrative which I have posted in the fanfic section. Here's the link:

http://www.sarahconnorfans.com/page/termi-ninja-tor%27s+Unified+Terminator+Storyline
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